Tauranga City Council and the New Zealand Transport Agency are continuing talks over the future of Tauranga's toll road - Route K.
The country's two toll road operators met yesterday afternoon to discuss the options for the expressway including the introduction of electronic tolls.
Tauranga City Council and NZ Transport Agency are in discussions about the future of Route K.
Electronic tolling is used on NZTA's Northern Gateway toll route heading north from Auckland, and is being planned for NZTA's Tauranga Eastern Link, the toll road under construction from Te Maunga to Paengaroa.
Putting electronic tolling on Route K has advantages both in cost and flexibility.
NZTA told Council bulk buying with NZTA could halve the cost from $10million per gantry to $5 million per gantry, and provide flexibility.
'I think the issue of electronic gantries does provide a lot more opportunity for flexibility of pricing, discounts at different times of the day and multiple users,” says Tauranga Mayor Stuart Crosby.
The confidential part of the meeting discussed Route K and Turret Road/State Highway 2A issues, but made no decisions, says Stuart.
The talks are not aimed at removing the council's $60 million Route K debt as NZTA rules prevent the government agency from doing so.
'With regard to existing debt it is my view that we may pursue other avenues outside of NZTA because they can only work within what they are legally able to work within,” says Stuart.
'That will be another conversation, more than likely with another government agency, down the track.”
The talks are a follow up from a series of meetings the council held last year with NZTA and local MPs over the roading issues - specifically the debt of Route K, and how to progress the Hairini causeway, Turret Road four-laning development.
'They have come back with some suggestions on how we can progress both Route K issues and SH2A, so it's just part of that ongoing journey.”
'What can we possibly do within the existing legislation and within NZTA's existing parameters that they work in, and that changes from government to government.”
They are looking at issues arising round changing the status of Route K to a State Highway, and if NZTA were to take over the maintenance of Route K, and issues around sharing the financial risk if things change in future.
'If they make decisions when they own it as in decisions that could potentially affect our income, then they will take on that risk and pay the difference.
'An example is that the northern arterial currently planned for a certain date. If it is delayed it jeopardises our income stream. We had conversation about that.”
Stuart says no decisions have been made yet.
'It was really just an opening, without prejudice discussion, and we will go away and think about that. It's really just a conversation at this stage.”
Stuart is grateful NZTA have put some thought into the issues and says the community will be consulted before any final decisions are made.
'I've been involved in roading issues for a long time and they take time. You have to work within the rules of the game of the day, and that's what we are doing.”
23 comments
We need more jobs
Posted on 28-02-2013 12:06 | By earlybird
not less. What's best for the local economy - $5 million in wages or $5 million in Technology PLUS unemployment benefits. We need to be thinking about how to create more jobs NOT reducing those we have already.
Gantry cost?
Posted on 28-02-2013 12:30 | By YOGI
Even $5m a piece will only add tot eh costs overall, offloading the road repairs will mean NZTA want to tolls also, looks like no WINZ in ths anytime soon except for teh odd retired TCC employees, all fith and some on this for life I reckon.
Great Idea
Posted on 28-02-2013 12:50 | By tabatha
I know some people will be out of a job but it will speed up movement. The present card system is all right but not as flexible as the old Harbour Bridge. Even the bin system , but amount is now wrong, was great; throw in $1 and gate opened. Please TCC consider an improved method and this may even entice more useage. If going to Hamilton or over Kaimaias far as I am concerned it is a no brainer to use the toll road. I know of some people who will not use it because it costs, but the cost of going other ways is greater with petrol and other road costs.
You figure out the 'actual' benefit'
Posted on 28-02-2013 13:34 | By Murray.Guy
At the moment the charge is $1.50 by toll booth. No having to go online to pay within 5 days,no cheats etc. The collection cost, give or take, is around 40 cents per vehicle. This with 4-5000 vehicles a day. Obviously with 14000 a day the cost per vehicle would be hugely reduced. The Northern Toll route with it's electronic camera devices costs approx 65 cents per vehicle, and that's with 14,000 vehicles per day. Add to the equation the increase in tolls on Route K to $2.00 as intended and the transfer of existing users off Route K to Cameron Rd, Cambridge Rd,like myself you'll be scratching your head!
Goverment
Posted on 28-02-2013 15:51 | By Kimble
The Goverment should be paying for this we pay extra on our petrol for Auckland roads. Put it on the price of petrol. Good enough for Auckland so why not Tauranga!
Yogi, go to school
Posted on 28-02-2013 18:15 | By Wonkytonk
Yogi, i see your comments all over the Sunlive website, have you been to school? pass spelling and grammar? looking at your comments overall maybe no education!
PLAY IT AGAIN STU
Posted on 28-02-2013 18:39 | By RORTSCAM
Nothing like secret little muffin break meetings to get the heart racing.Who represents TCC and who represents NZTA at these intimate tet^e a tet^es.Why can't ratepayers appoint independent observers to listen in.Another $5m to be thrown at this lemon and let me predict motorists will shun this scheme which is probably in the novapay category.
Government paying?
Posted on 28-02-2013 18:58 | By PLONKER
Well TCC already have that answer from NZTA, the comments like that can only be from Crosby Clones and that has just been a dream for the last 10 years or so. best to stay in the "Dreamtime" I think.
Tolls
Posted on 28-02-2013 20:01 | By donmac
Anybody been to Sydney recently? All of the motorways are electronically tolled.
Wonky T
Posted on 01-03-2013 07:00 | By YOGI
Yeah mate I hear you, I am a failure of the education system.
Sydney
Posted on 01-03-2013 08:48 | By TERMITE
Donmac, yes especially the Sydney tunnel that costs and some, very helpful and a lot quicker than wandering the streets and fighting rush hour traffic. Route K has the same benefits I acknowledge that, but the problem is that the NZTA told TCC before Route K was approved to be constructed that the projections were "hugely" over stated yet TCC went ahead and did it anyway. The hoped for offload to NZTA was then already fatally flawed in that NZTA's own peer review (requested by TCC) showed that it would be a disaster and surprise surprise it actually is. Then TCC have been holding on to the hope and dream that NZTA would just take it all away and make it all magically disappear. This has all the features of the average childrens bedtime story where they always end with a happy ending. Sadly in the real world NZTA will not be providign that nice lovely happy ending, and of course honestly why would they? Nevermind that NZTA rules have always restricted NZTA to "new" automatically disqualifies TCC's Route K offload plans before they ever got off the ground. No one can complain "we did not know" and all that, the buck stops here with TCC staff who have been wobbling along for a decade of either mislead hopes or that the essence of meetings with NZTA has never been made clear to the Councillors until December 2012.
Pull on the hanbrake!!!
Posted on 01-03-2013 13:04 | By Sambo
Termite, while your points are valid, without this roading option the Tauranga port would certainly not be in the financial position it is in, and imagine the deeper crap our esteemed Council would be in, if it was not for the income generated by Port shares, you cannot have it everyway, I for one would not even consider driving down Cameron road, my time is valuable, and a $3.00 return trip is money well spent, leave it as a manned booth, it is nice to be greeted by a human voice, as I hand over my money.
Route K
Posted on 01-03-2013 13:15 | By Capt_Kaveman
went wrong when they failed to put in place = 15th ave - West link, 17th ave offramp, Greerton offramp - onramp north, so from 11th ave the rest is a dead duck and i posted my concerns before that part wast extended yet it was still constructed
Sambo
Posted on 01-03-2013 16:22 | By TERMITE
Thanks but Route K was a rush job by TCC in the vain hope of replacing the tolls windfall off the bridge, NZTA were going to do it anyway from Government money, but good old TCC saw a chance to make a fortune (they thought they would) but of course it never materialised. The irony here is that TCC have committed to tens of millions of debt and that there is no escape from it instead a few years wuld haev seen it happen anyway either: NZTA would have run a toll road at NZTA cost or NZTA would just have paid for the road with no toll on it. Of the three options TCC just had to take the most risky, costly and obviously wrong option, all ratepayers will sooner or later pay dearly for it, watch this space!
Northern Toll Road
Posted on 01-03-2013 22:15 | By Crash test dummies
That is a mess, all looks nice and wonderful but the EFTPOS/cash takings/credit card facilities seldom work, that i think in deliberate so as NZTA can then slam all users for late fees and then make $7-10 a trip instead of $2 a trip. Even hard to get to pay a toll on the internet also. When you have all these problems the staff are very arrogant about it and wsate of lot of time getting it right and remmoving the late fees. It is just officials running roit in a tin god suit, a little power tripping and some.
NZTA Talks not aimed at removing $60m debt?
Posted on 05-03-2013 08:47 | By YOGI
Well what is the point then of the talks? If you can't offload the debt and you can't make a $$ then what other choice is there? Oh well for TCC that is easy, just let NZTA avoid the Harini road widening and TCC will pay for that to. Brilliant deal for TCC NOT!
Spend more money
Posted on 06-03-2013 09:10 | By YOGI
That will fix the problem I am sure, adding a gantry will mean that the loss will be bigger than ever before. Guess that will allow someone to run another tender when it really isn't a tender at all, just like the Sirens!
Add a gantry
Posted on 07-03-2013 02:49 | By TERMITE
Will add $5-10 million to the debt, it will add another layer of officials and will not add anything in new, more better tolls overall so the end result will be a bigger loss annually and the debt will grow even faster than before ... So considering all of that TCC will leap forward blindly into this, not thinking required, no plans, no budget, no idea. That means it is a dead cert that TCC will do it anyway!
Move council offices to k road
Posted on 16-03-2013 09:48 | By The Tomahawk Kid
I have no problems with k road - I just refuse to use it unless really necessary. Using it only encourages the council to continue to make irresponsible decisions. They should relocate the council offices to half way down k road and put a toll booth at each end, and make the councillors pay for their poor decision to lumber ratepayers with this white elephant
Tomahawk Kid
Posted on 16-03-2013 11:48 | By TERMITE
Agreed, but that will encourage them to build a new castle there and it is a boggy place just like TECT Arena, so the costs will be about three times what it should be then three time more again because TCC are doing it.
Tommahawk Kid
Posted on 23-03-2013 15:36 | By TERMITE
Great idea, we will then be lumbered with a more pay rises for this lot, no win here even though it is a great idea.
Endless circles
Posted on 23-03-2013 15:48 | By TERMITE
Tomahawk Kid, I can see a lot of merit in that, providing it is only relocatable tin sheds. TCC staff do tend do go around in endless cirlces so they will have no choice but to pay twice for each loop, lets say 4 times a day + 2 more normal to/from the "place of seat warming" that means the 550 odd staff would add around $1.4m a year to toll revenue, so getting rid of most of the deficit that they all created. To fix the problem TCC senior staff should be made to pay x10 the normal toll rate so as the message gets through that the decisions made in the past need to be avoided in the future. Bonus is the debt gets paid off.
Problem
Posted on 25-03-2013 13:06 | By Capt_Kaveman
with route K is no 17th hospital link no 11th ave link and no Greerton link + Elizabeth st should have its own onramp to R K
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