Tauranga woman Treacy Thompson took the Department of Social Welfare to court in 2013 over the computer problems only now being acknowledged by the government.
Stuff reported this week that a review of Ministry of Social Development processes brought up four other cases that Minister Anne Tolley says could have implications on repayments.
Treacy Thompson and some of the paperwork from her struggle with the government over benefit payments. Photo: Supplied
There were about 35 instances where processes, laws or practices needed to be changed. Some had simple fixes, says Anne, but others are more complex.
But Treacy says the issue is systemic and could involve billions of dollars in repayments.
She lost the 2013 court case where she took the ministry to court, a loss she says means the government didn't have to acknowledge a programing issue that has been underpaying beneficiaries for years.
'This is billions of dollars; tertiary students, superannuitants, low income families, everyone.” says Treacy. 'Billions and billions of dollars.
'The computer programme's wrong it's not accessing the full amount that a person's meant to get.”
Accommodation supplements are a particular area where people are receiving less than they are entitled to, says Treacy.
Not only does the computer system illegally deduct, Work and Income has devised a way of operating that she says is not the way the system is supposed to work.
'That gives them a bit more, but they are still short $50 a week, depending,” says Treacy.
'If they worked it the way it is which is 25 per cent of a personal basic benefit, they would get way less than they were supposed to get. Then when they work it their way which is at the cut off of $97 per week for access to accommodation supplement.”
As an example a woman with two young children is paying $320 a week rent. In Tauranga she should have received $165, but she was only getting $157.
'She was actually in need of $50 a week. So that's fine, a lot of people have got that issue.
Now that ($50) is supposed to come through Temporary Additional Support – which is another programme staff are meant to apply, but as soon as they put a person's accommodation costs into that computer programme, it deducts $25.49 plus five per cent of the basic benefit, plus tax – so that means it is costing the client $50 to access Temporary Additional Support, so therefore they are declined.
'How does that work? Everyone is supposed to have 70 per cent of their benefit or income available to them every week for a standard cost but no one is, because they are paying the shortfall in accommodation costs out of their living costs.”
The problem originates from seven years ago when the Labour Government pushed through new regulations regarding Working For Families and Temporary Additional Support (TAS) under urgency therefore stopping submissions being made, says Treacy.
The new regulation for Temporary Additional Support states that all people whether on a benefit or wage must pay the first $20.50 of their accommodation costs before applying for TAS.
'That in itself is not an issue until you apply for TAS and the computer programme that has been set up to calculate whether or not you are entitled, deducts the said amount from your benefit therefore leaving you to find the money elsewhere.”
For some families this can be up to $80 a week coming out of a family's living costs that should be paid through Temporary Additional Support and accommodation supplements, says Treacy.
'The reason the government is not doing anything about it, is I took them to the High Court when it happened to me,” says Treacy. 'I was having a deduction taken off me, but I didn't need accommodation costs.
'So why am I having a deduction when I am not requiring accommodation?”
Treacy says she lost the court case because the judge used a dummy document presented as an exhibit to find she didn't need any of the entitlements she claimed.
'That was an assessment done seven months after I applied for review – and he used that to make a ruling.
'He made out that I went into work and income and requested these things. I now appear to be trying to defraud work and income on items I am blatantly not entitled to. Why would I do that? And then take it to court?”



10 comments
Income
Posted on 06-06-2016 11:09 | By Kenworthlogger
Got to have some incentive to actually go work and EARN it.....
Hit tax payers again
Posted on 06-06-2016 11:56 | By hapukafin
Maybe Gov fault but its tax payers money.
Not
Posted on 06-06-2016 13:53 | By Captain Sensible
"paid"...no, the money is GIVEN. Money is taken from taxpayers to GIVE to them.
where and whose money is it?
Posted on 06-06-2016 14:20 | By pakeha2
seems in my little dealings with winz one is supoosed to be totally broke so they can drag out funds bit by bit to insult the recipient for neededing help - the culture of winz is such that the cogs cause problems - mipiney in miney taken out - my brother took his life as he was played with betweeen winz and acc and the result was a debt he didnt owe to winz but rent he did owe - they are there to distribute funds to persons who have lost their employment through job loss or in my brothers case and accident ON THE JOB ! he was working on the winz earning to $80 per week - so acc paid out 80% of $80 per week to compensate ! he took his life when they took money out putting him in arrears in his bank - cantfixthat!
hmmm
Posted on 06-06-2016 14:33 | By Horsefly
Well move on and correct the computer but dont go back dating or else normal tax paying people wont just feel like being shafted but well and truly shafted.
So....
Posted on 06-06-2016 17:00 | By GreertonCynic
beneficiaries are not supposed to feel shafted when underpaid for years? @pakeha2 - you got it one there mate. Bureaucracy is bad for your health.
Recipients labelled bludgers again
Posted on 06-06-2016 20:18 | By Chapsmate
It is very demeaning, having to go to WINZ, cap in hand, to get back a little of the tax that many recipients seek, once they are no longer able to earn. I was on a sickness benefit before going onto an invalids benefit. I was able to earn $80 per week before affecting my benefit, I told WINZ that I would have 2 weeks work. My benefit was immediately stopped, in spite of not being paid for my work for 6 weeks. So I told WINZ AFTER I had worked, and received my pay. I was told I now had a debt. I offered to pay this debt. "No, you can's do that." they told me. Suddenly I was faced, after 3 years, with a debt of $35 000. In spite of repeated letters to the minister, and WINZ, I am still trying to pay that off.
It's always a bit sad
Posted on 07-06-2016 07:59 | By earlybird
to read the negative comments about beneficiaries. I've never been on one myself but I would imagine it's a soul destroying experience for many. Not all beneficiaries are bludgers. Many of them would love to have jobs like us. Personally I think that the payment of benefits is what helps this country to be a great place to live despite the cost to the taxpayer. We never know when we might need this assistance and it's nice to know that it's there if needed. There will always be people who rip the system off but that doesn't mean that many many people and families that are on a benefit are ripping the system off. Instead of making negative comments just be grateful that you are not requiring a benefit.
@ earlybird
Posted on 07-06-2016 10:20 | By Captain Sensible
I once asked for a benefit when I had to quit work for a suspected brain tumour and could hardly stand up. The woman actually laughed at me and said because of a rental that I partly owned where the rent did , not cover the mortgage I was entitled to nothing. I am sick of hearing the catchcry "pay your fair share" (of tax) but never hear anything about being able to get our fair share nor beneficiaries doing their fair share.
@ CAPTAIN SENISIBLE
Posted on 07-06-2016 12:03 | By Colleen Spiro
YOU are not very sensible....I have paid taxes for 45 years, sometimes secondary tax, so the money was earned by me to be used when and if I or ANYONE else needed it....and you should know what it feels like when you NEED and are turned down...You just contradicted yourself.
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