Dealing with, and to, the beggars

Beggars have divided the main street in Mount Maunganui.

On one side of the street there are calls for compassion and understanding towards those with their hands out. 'Is the Mount too posh for poverty?” asks Hazel in a Facebook message to the Sun.


Mount Mainstreet manager Peter Melgren has found a way to deal with beggars at The Mount. Photo: Tracy Hardy.

And on the other side of the retail boulevard they're playing hardball. 'Why does anyone in NZ have to beg?,” asks Karin. And 'don't feel sorry for (the beggars) because they put themselves there” says Harlem. 'So suck it up.”

Either way, Mount Mainstreet, a conglomerate of business and retail interests in the tourist and holiday trap, says it's 'managed to stop begging”. For the moment.

And from where you might expect there to be sympathy for beggars, there is none.

'We have discussed it and we don't support that sort of behaviour in any way”, says Tauranga Moana Nightshelter Trust secretary Mike Mills.

'The beggars are just giving a bad rap to people in genuine need.”

Back at Mount Mainstreet, boss Peter Melgren says begging will never go away because it's the separation between those who have and those who don't – 'and those who have problems”.

He says there was a period of just a week where, for some unknown reason, the Mount had an unusual number of people coming in to entice people to give them money.

It coaxed local identity ‘Les' into print last week. 'Lazy b*****ds,” he told The Weekend Sun. When he encountered his first beggar in 45 years living at the Mount he told him to '**** off to Tauranga”.

'No place for beggars in New Zealand,” decided the old immigrant English seaman. And he certainly didn't want cruise liner traffic gazing on our less fortunate.

In turn, Les triggered a stream of online invective.

'Everyone has their own tragic story and not everyone's on the street begging for money,” said one commenter.

'If you are out of a job there's the dole, if you are out of home there's the accommodation supplement,” said another. And 'I don't work hard to feed lazy buggers” said yet another.

People were passionate and polarised. Eruera railed against Les. 'Ignorance is the only thing this Bay has plenty of,” he said.

From Zac: 'This isn't journalism, it's a closed-minded old man having a rant”. And 'help them out you snobby, grumpy old b*****d,” said Lae.

So how did Mount Maunganui 'put a stop to it”? Mainstreet manager Peter Melgren called on his contacts to resolve the beggar issue. 'I have very good relationships with the police and council monitoring staff,” he said.

He likened it to the 24-hour liquor ban. 'If someone's being an idiot and breaking the rules, police will manage that for us as well. In this case, [they] weren't doing anything different.”

So a fleeting problem dealt with socially and sensitively? Peter answers the question with a question. 'You would hope we would handle it like that, wouldn't you?” he asks.

He insisted it wasn't about being tough and heartless and kicking them out. 'I went and spoke to some of them; you have to have a bit of heart.”

Peter says some of the beggars have very trying personal circumstances. 'But they needed to understand this was probably not the place to fix those problems.”

Why not?

'Good question,” he replied. 'And I have to be careful of my position. We have probably got the best boutique shopping in New Zealand and a very affluent market. There is no place in the city we want to have people begging.”

But the beggars would come from lower socio-economic areas and there's no point in them begging in Merivale or Greerton. 'Yes, we will still get them.”

On one hand, a hard line businessman, and on the other the altruist, because after talking to one beggar Peter turned benefactor.

'I took some money out of my wallet, took him down to Burger King and set him up with an account.

'He needed food to get through the next three days. He went away quite happy.” The beggar later left a message at Burger King saying thank you.

'So if you can manage a problem, why wouldn't you? And if you can help those people too, why wouldn't you?”

Mike says they also approached a beggar in Tauranga and offered him a warm bed, food and facilities. 'The beggar basically told us to p*ss off because he was making serious coin out of the goodwill of people and we were interrupting his ability to do so.”

Mike is not saying there aren't people with a genuine need. 'But there are ways that can be dealt with and begging is not one of them.”

Begging, Mike says, is a behaviour that has taken hold with some people and they may or may not be homeless.

'We are committed to alleviating homelessness and getting people off the street and we are getting good outcomes with the way we are doing it.”

According to Peter, the Mount has quite a big heart and has a wonderful sense of community. 'Okay, there are a few people who're a bit intolerant but you get them anywhere. And we should all do what we can.”

So begging for alms – a problem not finished with in Mount Maunganui, just dealt to for the moment.

13 comments

Stop the rot now

Posted on 18-12-2015 11:24 | By friendee

These "beggars" are on the dole already like any other citizens in the no job mode they choose to be in. I have a bit to do with some of the tga "homeless" and down and outs. Early in the day before the grog/dope takes over you can hold a conversation and some have told me they have enough to pool funds and buy what they want, even a car ! So don't feel sorry for them, they exist ok, and sitting on the strret with a cup out passes the time and it is tax free. I spoke to some south American teenage tourists, they were amazed such a thing as the dole for not working existed! And within a few days they had jobs, a van, and were up and running and contributing ,not bludging.


There is NO reason to beg in N.Z.

Posted on 18-12-2015 12:12 | By How about this view!

Begging is encountered the world over. The difference being, in other parts of the world there is no FREE money, housing, healthcare or food. Stupidly, we have closed the big mental health institutions and as much as the holier-than-thou, cloyingly good Samaritans amongst us may have been overwhelmingly elated by this, the reality is that they were NEEDED. They provided a safe haven, monitored medication and ON-DEMAND healthcare for people that desperately needed it. Now the problems are on the streets and like it or not, crime, violence and disorder gravitates towards these people, as does alcohol and drugs. We are being very poorly served by those among us that believe mental health is can be adequately maintained by some of those left out on our streets. Some beggars however are NO-GOOD layabouts that should be actively moved on and trespassed.


Pass a By-Law...

Posted on 18-12-2015 14:05 | By morepork

making public begging illegal, confiscate all monies collected and donate it to charity, then subject multiple offenders to arrest. Provided the mechanisms needed to help genuine people in need are in place and working, this should be effective and fair. There are always lazy, greedy, people who will prey upon the kindness of others. It is important to recognize them and see they don't get away with it, while still allowing genuine people to receive help. The test should be: "Are you begging on the street through no fault of your own and having tried all other legitimate avenues to get help, or are you here because it beats actually doing anything to improve your situation?" (I have been on the street, flat broke, homeless and hungry in a strange land; begging didn't solve it,(although I did busk for a while...)) Positive action is required and an attitude adjustment.


I hate beggars.

Posted on 18-12-2015 15:57 | By ...

There is absolutely no reason for anyone in New Zealand to be homeless. If I'm going to give away my hard earned money it will be to people who have been put in unfortunate circumstances through no fault of their own (people in war torn or politically unstable countries etc.). Many of the summer holidaymakers pay 33% tax on a portion of their income to pay for these useless people to live, so you can understand why they don't want to come across them while on holiday. A terrible representation of the Mount and we should do everything to get rid of them for ourselves and also to protect tourism. Come at me any beggar sympathetic idiot out there.


Obnoxious Habit

Posted on 18-12-2015 16:16 | By Mommatum

Begging is an obnoxious habit that shouldn't be encouraged. It's not a matter of lacking compassion, but of the most effective form of help for those whose need is genuine. This I feel is best served by ensuring that support services are reaching them rather than perpetuating a system that is too easily taken advantage of, and also create an unhealthy/unsafe environment in our shopping precincts. The experience of Mike who offered a beggar a place to sleep, a hot meal and ongoing help and was told to "P" off proves that a good proportion of beggars are in fact opportunists out to make money off other people's kindness and will settle for nothing less. That's not need, and in fact it's taking both funds and goodwill from those who really do need the community's support.


Mount full of it's self.

Posted on 18-12-2015 16:22 | By s83cruiser

"no point in them begging in Merivale or Greerton." well aren't we up ourselves in the mount. What's the story here is Merivale and Greerton to lower class even for beggars. "the best boutique shopping in New Zealand " be more like it to say that the Mount has the biggest collection of over priced shops in the country all looking to screw the tourists. What a snobby lot on the other side of the track (Bridge)so up themselves it's not funny.


seesee

Posted on 18-12-2015 17:18 | By SeeSee

Bludgers, such as these, should not be tolerated in todays society, more especially at this time of the year. Where are they are at other times ? Do they declare their earnings at all ? I would think not. Get rid of them, they are a blight on society.


Beggars

Posted on 18-12-2015 18:49 | By peter pan

There are beggars everywhere in this world and the tourists of the cruise ship will have seen plenty of them in their travels,so whats so important about the Mount,get down off your high horse.


There ARE

Posted on 18-12-2015 20:23 | By SML

but these ones are teenagers, well-dressed (latest gear), and come equipped with skateboards and late-model cellphones. They're bad around the Post Office and Greerton Countdown, where they particularly target the elderly, getting right "in their faces", and ask for "$2 to get the bus home"... only they don't, they're there most of the day, and could always use their cellphones to call their parents for a lift! No, these kids are not just BEGGING, they are SCAMMING money, and really hassling the elderly - it's just not on. I wish the Police would get involved and move them on.


Useless

Posted on 18-12-2015 20:37 | By peecee09

There is absolutely no need for this nonsense.These people are in real need of a swift kick in the backside. They are absolutely lazy and think they can indulge in this type of crap behaviour with a total lack of self respect.Well not on our watch. Get off your backsides and do some work !


@by...

Posted on 19-12-2015 07:41 | By maildrop

Only an idiot would think their taxes go to to deserving people only. There are many "beggars" out their who have free this that the other and have no intention of working. Whilst there may be some who see begging as a "job", the majority beg to get by. Can you imagine the indignity they must feel sitting there for hours, taking abuse of muppets with no brains? From your comments obviously not. And as for thinking countries that are unstable or at war is NOT the fault of its people - how naive. You're just upset because your perfect little world down at the Mount is now a bit more representative of the problems in the world. Suck it up.


Hmmmm

Posted on 19-12-2015 09:26 | By How about this view!

Council was able to pass a bylaw a number of years ago that put a stop to the windscreen washing thugs at traffic lights. Why not a bylaw banning begging on the footpath in certain main streets? Not all of course, we have to allow them somewhere to go. Maybe allow begging outside the mayors office and in front of all schools and Marae! To impress upon our youth that they are required to go to school for a reason.


in-tech homeless

Posted on 06-01-2016 00:16 | By justswim_ffs

amazing all these comments. majority of these so called beggars/homeless HAVE Mobile phone, mountain bike & tablets. i saw 2 homeless guys sitting outside ASB Bank to connect with free wifi. these guys get regular food from food shop who give there left over food at end of day/closing. some milk the system out there. young ones who are homeless - why do they smoke and drink Codys etc. they CHOOSE to spend money on smokes they choose to own a mobile phone and alcohol they CHOOSE to waste their money. they have a CHOICE to be HELPED. sadly majority don't.


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