I was at a social gathering recently and fell into conversation with an engaging young chap, who informed me that he was Maori.
Really, says I somewhat taken aback, you must come from one of the more distant tribes, because you don't seem to have any of the expected characteristics.
He went on to tell me that that yes he was one sixteenth Maori, I enquired what the remaining fifteen sixteenths were and he retorted that they were mostly Scottish.
I told him that I was sorry to be the bearer of sad tidings but he was actually a Jock [Scottish]
If I was Scottish I think I should be rather proud of it, a fine race of people.
But on reflection I don't suppose being Scottish has either the kudos or financial gain that being Maori has. So what is what is cut of point to becoming a Maori? A sixty-fourth perhaps or even more.
The other misconception is [M Ketu wrote last week] that we are a Bi-cultural society. That is incorrect we are a multi [as in many] cultural society.
If we can accept that then perhaps we can move forward as one people, one nation.
Chris Laycock, Tauranga.
25 comments
Still a Maori
Posted on 17-12-2010 18:29 | By Colleen Spiro
If a person has one sixteenth Maori blood, they are STILL A MAORI.... I cant forgive the ignorance of some people who have the audacity to question a persons heritage. My ex husband is very dark, one of his children is very dark and two of his children are blonde.... Both parents were Maori. The dark son, married a Maori and had a blonde daughter, and two other dark children.... The other two blonde boys have a dark and a blonde child each..... For gods sake, there is such a thing as genetics. There is no cut off point... If you identify yourself and have Maori history, you are a Maori.... Can't see the gain you are talking about Chris. All my ex husbands family have worked bloody hard for what they have earned and given to back to the community (going way back).... My ex has worked for one company for 47 years....Bigotry is alive and well in Tauranga.
Political Geneside!!
Posted on 27-12-2010 13:21 | By nzrealhistory
What a load of B.S! This is geneside at its worst!. The educational system has taken away the right of individuals to choose or decide their own identity. There is no such thing now as half this or quarter that...you are either Maori or Non maori. 1/32 part Maori will instantly make you a Maori...Mmmmm? This has come about from the governments "closing the gap" scheme. Its understable I suppose, because Maori as a race are failing at all aspect of society and it is their genetics that needed a boost of honesty, morals and intelligence so who better than the "white fella" to do this. By the way " your welcome" but now that you share my genetic history....Use it wisely!
PUREBREDS & OTHER B'S
Posted on 29-12-2010 10:19 | By Ratcatcher
Truth is there is really no such thing so effectively to use the animal term we are all 'mongrels' with some heritage parts predominant the other parts playing minor bit roles. Many in NZ are trying to be selective on ancestry claims solely for monetary gain or to screw their fellow citizens.Thats called rorting.
MONGRELS
Posted on 31-12-2010 00:22 | By Colleen Spiro
Yep, I am going to concede, you are all a bunch of MONGRELS and BASTARDS and thats where the problem lies. We will never move on, because there is so much hate.
Look in the mirror upu2
Posted on 02-01-2011 18:15 | By Ratcatcher
When the going gets tough just chuck the toys out of the cot and spit the dummy.Specially when most NZers are now rumbling to the rip offs and there is no plausible explanation & nowhere to hide anymore.
TUT TUT
Posted on 02-01-2011 20:26 | By TERMITE
NOW NOW ... all getting a little heated on the TRUTH, Maori and the rest are all "FERAL" or "HALF BLOODS" are we not all the same. Takes a wise man to be able to know who his father is!
Ignorance
Posted on 03-01-2011 19:03 | By Colleen Spiro
http://twm.co.nz/Tr_violn.html @ Ratcatcher. This might explain some explanation for the past injustices. I conceded, we are all mongrels, Feral, Half bloods, what ever you want to call us.
MONEY MAKES THE WORLD GO AROUND ...
Posted on 03-01-2011 19:56 | By TERMITE
Many will sell there soul if there was a dollar in it, so what is a little wee issue of 1/16th = 6.25% ruling all. That is merely adopting the obvious here that the minority want to rule over the remaining 93.75%.
He pounamu kakano rua
Posted on 03-01-2011 21:27 | By ROCKY
I have watched this little spat from the sidelines.If some people have no pride in being New Zealanders/Kiwis the rest of us should be told so that we can do something about it.At least we will know where we all stand and not be led down the garden path by those with secret agendas.Speak up lets have scrap now if we have to sort it out now once and for all.
Pease read and learn
Posted on 04-01-2011 09:54 | By Colleen Spiro
@ Termite, did you even take the time to puruse the data in the link I posted above.. It will explain in there that they didnt sell their souls. As for me I am proudly a New Zealander and a white one with not one ounce of Maori blood in me. Does it make me any less of a person than a Maori, hell no...In fact, my land may be needed and could be taken under the Public Works Act, so I am feeling slightly nervous.
TREATY CLAIMS
Posted on 04-01-2011 23:33 | By The Master
I have no problem with Treaty Claims, such as Wigram where the Government took the land for WW2 but then forgot to give it back afterwards, it is Maori land and should have been returned. As for most claims, the land was "sold" it is a done deal, get over it and move on in your life ok. If you have some issue with that then go talk to those who made the sale not those who paid up then.
LANGUAGE
Posted on 04-01-2011 23:33 | By The Master
If you want to learn "your" language and you want your children to learn Maori also, then go to it, enjoy ... for whatever reason, basis justification you have. None of the above is of any importance to me. I will however not stand in your way to do so. But also I do not expect to have to pay for your indulgence in this either.
LANGUAGE PART 2
Posted on 04-01-2011 23:33 | By The Master
In the real world however languages other than Maori are useful for business, life and communication. As Maori are about 8% of NZ's population so that is about 300,000 odd and a lot of those are well less than 50% Maori blood (they often actually have more "NON" Maori blood from multiple alternatives yet choose to recognise say 6.25% Maori blood as #1) and most don't know Maori. Perhaps if a person claiming to be Maori actually had 50%+ or the largest portion was Maori ancestry then they only should be Maori. Maybe such a person with 1/16th or even 1/8th should give due balance to life and also spend an appropriate time learning Spanish, Walsh, German or whatever as well, there should be proper balance to life and the view of life. Need to look at the real reason here ... MONEY MONEY and let me see MONEY. If one claimed that land was the heart of Maori-dom then why the need of money?????
LANGUAGES PART 3
Posted on 04-01-2011 23:34 | By The Master
GET REAL SIR! Look at the world's population, 1/4 of the world speak mandarin and related tongues. Give yourself a fighting chance (and your children) teach them a language that will open there eyes, open their world and provide a self sustaining future for themselves.
INHERITING THE WORLD
Posted on 04-01-2011 23:34 | By The Master
The odd bit of dirt here, the odd bit of dirt there ... when does it finish sir ? we are after all on the third round of "treaty Settlements" now.
OVER RATED
Posted on 04-01-2011 23:36 | By The Master
There are benefits enjoyed by the few at the expense of the many, an example, in education, Maori quotas apply for teachers, these students receive higher payments as students than non Maori students. Why is that ? Is that not why the South African rugby tour in the early 80's ran into trouble here in NZ at that time ? I could now say that is a simple concept being applied of the minority paying for something to benefit of just a few, is that not apartheid ? THE PRIVILEGED FEW !
NEW ZEALANDER ONLY
Posted on 04-01-2011 23:38 | By The Master
There is nothing else but, until we accept and embrace that we as a country will fail to achieve what we are capable of in the "REAL WORLD". We will be serverly handicaped by this, get real folks.
KIAORA 2 U BRO, LOOK PAST YOUR NOSE HERE!
Posted on 04-01-2011 23:48 | By The Master
i quote from your own reference that "Te Ati Awa Chief Teira sold the Governor land at Waiata without seeking the agreement of the other chiefs who had an interest in the land, especially the Senior Chief Wiremu Kingi. This was a breach of the Treaty's land", I think anyone look =ing at that would come to teh obvious conclusion that land was sold by a few Maori at that time for personal gain alone, I suggest respectifully that go seek redress from those who "sold" the land not those who purchased it in good faith, after all the Governor (appointed representative of the Queen of NZ did approve of sales of land, all as per you reference. I rest my case that 99% of treaty claims are a farce and a scam on NZers.
INDIGENOUS DEFINED !!!
Posted on 05-01-2011 00:12 | By The Master
The dictionary meaning is: born in or natural to a country. I am born in NZ therefore I am "indigenous to NZ" so please pass on my fare share of the foreshore and all else going in the "freebee" department.
To the Lord and Master
Posted on 06-01-2011 14:06 | By Colleen Spiro
@The Master. Wigram, as not the only piece of land that was NOT returned to Maori.... Tauranga and Raglan airports are just another couple of examples. Maori had to fight hard and long for Raglan. If it was a pakeha fighting, they would be doing it for justice, because it was Maori they were " just a bunch of bloody Maori Activists". I totally understand that the Acts in that link mean nothing to you, because they don't affect you, or did not displace your people. I also knew you would pick out the one and only Act where a Maori cheif sold his land, and yes a pakeha representative of the Queen ratified it. I guess if someone took your land and never returned it, you would be slightly gutted. (Financially as well as feeling a bit lost with nowhere to go). 1840 Maori owned 66,400,000 acres of land. By 1965 only an estimate 3,680,585 acres remained in Maori hands. Of that 271,226 acres were classified as 'probably of no use”, 915,970 acres were unoccupied and unsuitable for farming or forestry; and 1,281,240 acres were on long term leases, most of which were unlikely to return to Maori control. That left 695,063 acres still in actual Maori occupation. Yes, as you say, the odd bit of dirt here, the odd bit of dirt there..... I am amazed that we have such little violence in this country over the past. If someone walked on to my property and tried to take it, I would not be docile at all. Some Maori never want to leave NZ so why would they want to learn Mandarin or German...Do you and your children know all those languages. In my own personal experience Maori who speak their language are fiercly proud of the fact that they do, so don't be so condescending... It is just as important to them as maybe your christian faith is to you or others. I was taught the more you know, the better off you are and that includes speaking Maori, German, Hindu or whatever... As I said in a previous letter my Maori extended family have worked hard all their lives and I have never seen anyone of them, right down to nga moko getting any special treatment/money because they are Maori. This will be the last letter I write on this blog as I like others before me am tired. I am going to move on from attitudes like yours. I love NZ with a passion and as a 4th generation Tauiwi embrace whatever comes my way....And BTW I am wahine.
THE LAST CALL
Posted on 07-01-2011 08:01 | By The Master
KIAROA2U Sadly it is a reflection of all that you say is reflected in that you say, your last blog here, debate is about ideas of all floating around, able to be absorbed and considered reasonably. To state your piece as you see it then walk away as if it is finished is far far away from that. In fact it could be considered somewhat "ONE-EYEED".
MAORI ARRVIAL 1425 AD
Posted on 08-01-2011 12:02 | By The Master
The reported arrival of Maori is approx 1425 AD, previously it was postulated as 700 - 900 AD. This is very important as other significant events have occurred that affect the end conclusions here.
THE VISIT VISITORS
Posted on 08-01-2011 12:05 | By The Master
Evidence exists that others were here pre-Maori, various ethic groups would be included in that. Not least of which is European, of course they did not setup anything permanent here nor claim it in any way for King and country etc. But the fact still remains of "what does first mean?"
A BIT OF HISTORY REMAINS
Posted on 08-01-2011 12:11 | By The Master
Okay, back in the history of the Chatham Islands we find that Maori followed the indiginous people of NZ out there, there was war and Maori won the battle. There was also dispute over land following that, Maori then claimed rights to the land by way of "the spoils of war' and the court of the time agreed with that.
NEW ZEALANDERS
Posted on 08-01-2011 12:14 | By The Master
Are we not all "New Zealanders"? If we are not and some have priviledge that others are unable to partake then the obvious question is then "have we learnt anything?" in particular since the 1980's SA rugby tour to NZ ?
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