Hear! Hear! to the Hill's letter ‘Treaty negotiations: over it- big time' and D Holm's letter ‘The dangers of govt's gifting' in The Weekend Sun, June 27, in my opinion. It's time for a head count.
Are you over it? Are you yet to be over it? Politicians obviously need some direction.
B Anderson, Tauranga City.
5 comments
YOU BET WE ARE !!
Posted on 05-07-2014 18:38 | By groutby
Yes, absolutely and have been for years now,problem is: so many rely it for there income and future, how do we put a process in place to come to a "Negotation Settlement"- "Full and Final" (again) to at least enable us to move forward as one people of one country...or, if we are not going to get this,then let the country know and decide if we need to resolve ourselves two being "two" people rather than one..(that is..certain Maori Groups and everyone else)...isn't it?..
No its not groutby.
Posted on 08-07-2014 13:08 | By robin bell
We have never been one people,you need to get your head around that. Maori are Maori,they don't want to be "like you" and who in their right mind would blame them. By the way there was never a full and final settlement,that was Crown spin,and you fell for it,but not Maori.Now things have changed,it will soon be over,if people like you don't cock it up. Robin Bell.
So, for you, we will never be
Posted on 09-07-2014 23:48 | By groutby
Now you have got all emotional about it again, rationality is the key here. So, you are saying that even though many Maori seem to want to be "as one"...some don't?...so if we are never to meet, then why bother with the treaty negotiations at all if there is never going to be a conclusion? Things haven't changed, and you need to be specific in your rhetoric as to what you expect "to change and be over"..because the goalposts keep changing and the treaty gravy train is continuing. Personally I'm not into "cocking anything up" as you suggest, but if there is no solution within a given time frame, then this will no go on doubt for as long as parties wish it to, so, let's "can" it and take our chances maybe, you know it can go on and on and on....
To be specific,groutby.
Posted on 10-07-2014 14:17 | By robin bell
I do not get emotional.My position is rational,I am for the status quo,which is one nation formed by two peoples. The treaty negotiations are almost over.The conclusion will be,when all are settled, not before.What has changed,is that Maori are at last able to settle,long outstanding grievances.It is you who say "things have not changed" but go on to say "The goalposts keep changing".That seems like emotional rhetoric to me. There is only one major claim to be settled (Ngapuhi)and a few minor ones. Be patient. Robin Bell.
One nation two peoples
Posted on 17-07-2014 13:38 | By Anbob
Robin, can you give any example over history of a country where one nation two peoples with shared governance has worked, without conflict. The conflicts Iraq, Israel, Afghanistan, former Yugoslavia, Rwanda are examples of it failing, and the list goes on. You can't have 15% population with a 50% voice without conflict. Most civil wars have been a result of that philosophy. New Zealand, should it proceed down the path you and M Jackson wish, will likely end up eventually in the same position. It may not be in our time, but could be in our children's time. I personally don't want that to be my legacy. Contemporary claims no issue, but historic claims have to be let go. It wasn't right, but it is history. Correcting past injustices by creating new injustices (historic settlements) is just creating disharmony. Settlements need to finish soon.
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