Even though it is not unexpected, recent celebrations of historical events (Battle of Gate Pa) have brought out some people's views about how historical issues should be addressed. I was disappointed when I read a recent letter written by Mary Brooks(30 May) making statements that Tauranga Moana Iwi should remember they are only a small number of the population here and other cultures such as Dutch, Irish French etc should be included. This writer needs to do some research about the Te Tiriti o Waitangi and that the two parties who signed this Treaty were Maori and non-Maori (British Crown).
The returning of land back to local Iwi is about healing the wrong that was done in historical land confiscation. This was unfair and should be rectified if we are to try and move on with honouring a historical document like the Te Tiriti o Waitangi and settling this grievance between our cultures. I support this process as a Non-Maori who has done some study on the Treaty. The land being asked for in Tauranga Moana is not being done in arrogance but in fairness.
G.McIsaac, Welcome Bay.


30 comments
History
Posted on 13-06-2014 15:14 | By Captain Sensible
It is you my friend who needs to research history. I'm afraid you are brainwashed into the maori make-it-up-as-you-go version.
Dear Sir
Posted on 13-06-2014 17:03 | By YOGI BEAR
I would have no problem with returning lands for any reasonable reason and along the line of Te Tiriti o Waitangi but to date the facts have been lost in time as many attempt to rewrite history so as money falls out at the other end of the system.
Real History
Posted on 13-06-2014 21:55 | By Te Ponui
Pooh Bear and Co, your made up unsubstantiated versions of everything Maori is poorly researched, conveniently vague and generalist where it suits your racist opinions. You claim it is about money, but Maori would rather have our lands back anyday, and would gladly pay the supposed original purchase price. Nobody is brainwashed by your filth.
original purchase price.
Posted on 14-06-2014 21:20 | By crazyhorse
Quote me old mate Te Ponui,typical of what we are dealing with, "very part maori" will pay what it was originally "supposed" payed for,you guy's sold it that often how are you guna come up with,what sale do you want to go off, what about the improvements,got to admit theres been a few or do you not admit that???????? how's the central heating going princess not to cold?.
WHAT TO LOOK FORWARD TO!
Posted on 15-06-2014 09:57 | By crazyhorse
Council denies access to papers on unelected Maori board. Auckland Council is refusing to release background papers to a multimillion-dollar funding package for the unelected Maori Statutory Board. Council officers are citing an upcoming fight in the High Court and commercial sensitivity as reasons for withholding the information from ratepayers, whose money is paying for the board and the legal costs. Last month, Auckland Mayor Len Brown and finance committee councillors approved a $3.4 million annual budget to run the board. After a public uproar, a full council meeting cut the budget to an indicative $1.9 million. READ AND BE VERY AFRAID!!COSBY AND THE BOY'S RECKON THIS UNELECTED MAORI BOARD ON COUNCIL IS A "DONE DEAL". http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10714842
Land confiscation
Posted on 15-06-2014 11:51 | By Bruce Moon
Before G McIsaac ( 13/6/14) indulges in white guilt about the alleged "wrong ... in historic land confiscations" and its unfairness, it would be a good idea to learn about them. First, they were fully in accord with "tikanga" where winners in tribal wars took losers' territory. Second, Governor Grey warned tribes that rebellion would lead to confiscation.. Third, Bay of Plenty tribes knew this occurred after rebellions were quelled in the west - it was fair warning. Fourth, it compensated the government of our infant nation for the heavy cost of suppressing those rebellions which any sovereign state is entitled to do. Fifth, much confiscated land was returned later. In those turbulent times some loyal Maori land may have been confiscated wrongly - rectified since, I hope. As for the rest, their descendants today may feel sour about it but they should blame their ancestors, not us.
G.Mclsaac letter
Posted on 15-06-2014 14:41 | By [email protected]
The Te Tiriti o Waitangi (the true Treaty) was signed by the people called Maori and the British Crown on behalf of all the people of New Zealand which includes those that were living here before the people who are now called Maori. Ian Brougham
Heavy Guns,
Posted on 16-06-2014 09:06 | By robin bell
Bruce Moon continues his heavily "Twisted" overview of our history. There is no "white guilt" his use of the term,is an emotive effort to promote negative reaction."Tikanga" was always applicable in war.War was not declared in Waikato or Bay of Plenty.Maori refused to sell land their right under the terms of the Treaty. It was British hunger for more land that led to the Insurgency by the Crown forces. Queen Elizabeth apologised to Tainui for that immoral and unjust act.In the Bay of Plenty 55% was returned,the best land retained for settlement. 'Conscience' at work no doubt.It's nothing to do with "white guilt" Moon,its about justice and our future. Robin Bell.
alleged
Posted on 16-06-2014 09:44 | By crazyhorse
Thanks for a few "facts" Mr Moon, but, as everyone that has argued these alleged wrongs has learned, it's not about mana, or us doing the right thing, it's a grab for land and the power that their "little stories they tell bring them, you can see for yourself now Tauranga council see's itself as a "treaty partner" and is giving Tauranga rate payers land and rights away without even, well, without even, consulting them, {democracy NZ style again, thanks to a few good people in council the maori's "pet pakeha" got caught out and may have slowed the process, history or should I say the real history has been so distorted or just "made up" that even the myths about tooth fairy, are more believable, if these claims were presented with the"TRIBUNALS" version of ""history"" in a court of law we would not be having this debate,
NGAPUHI
Posted on 19-06-2014 15:03 | By crazyhorse
A GREAT EXAMPLE OF MODERN REVISIONIST HISTORY OR BULL #### YOU DECIDE CAMPERS. Wel-Com a catholic newspaper presented a version of history found in a recent report for the Northland iwi, Ngapuhi. The report, entitled 'Ngapuhi Speaks', stated that Ngapuhi ships had circumnavigated the world, doing extensive trade not just with Australia but with places as far away as the United States and the United Kingdom. Maori had sent specially chosen travellers to other countries to gather information and share it at seminars when they returned. Problems with lawless Pakeha prompted Ngapuhi to form political alliances to protect their mana and apply tikanga (tribal law). The 1835 Declaration of Independence was one such alliance and the Treaty of 1840 was another. It was, "the culmination of a forward-thinking strategy to enhance the beneficial relationship with the British, and to progress their international interests." http://wel-com.org.nz/wel-com-articles/3831-te-tiriti-ngapuhi-speaks-of-dishonour
TROUGHING PROPERGANDA
Posted on 19-06-2014 15:13 | By crazyhorse
If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it. If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth. If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. If you repeat a lie long enough, it becomes truth. If you repeat a lie many times, people are bound to start believing it.
O.M.G. Crazyhoss
Posted on 19-06-2014 20:12 | By robin bell
you surpassed yourself this time. Cecily McNeill,Editor of the Catholic newspaper Wel-Com completely and utterly backs up G.McIsaacs letter.Can you prove Ngapuhi did or did not do the things some claim? Of course you can't.Maybe their claim operates on the same principles as your BULL####,who knows? You know crazy,make a claim and put the onus of proof on the reader.Hasn't done you and your mates much good so far.I suggest, in future you educate yourself on the total article,Its not difficult even for you.Heres a little help,read and enjoy Cecilys editorial on the same site,and squirm. Robin Bell.
Sour Grapes
Posted on 20-06-2014 09:19 | By robin bell
from Crazyhorse. 1."repeat a lie often enough"= Kohanga Reo. 2."reapeat a lie often enough" = seven pre Maori cultures. 3."tell a lie big enough" = Monica. 4."repeat a lie many times" =Titford.I could go on forever. Your dishonest srategy has backfired big time.I suggest you consult your mentor Ross Baker,he may find a job for you on his next "roadshow". Robin Bell.
Crazy Hoose
Posted on 23-06-2014 12:09 | By YOGI BEAR
Correct, that is definitely what has happened here, so obvious and some.
Definately,
Posted on 23-06-2014 20:54 | By robin bell
not again yogi.Crazy-hoss has never,ever defined anything,thats nothing.Relying instead on vague inuendo,inventive fantasy and downright bull####.Between the two of you the sky is the limit.Such fun! Robin Bell.
Process
Posted on 23-06-2014 22:01 | By YOGI BEAR
First, the real history of NZ needs to be published, ops it already has been publish: Twisting the Treaty is already out.
Robin Bell - titles
Posted on 24-06-2014 00:34 | By YOGI BEAR
I wish to thank you very much for the clarification on "possession being ownership" because simply for being the indigenous people prior to colonization pre-Maori. My ancestors were here in New Zealand well before Maori, so then I claim all of New Zealand for myself, compensation from Maori (all the IWI claims), rent from all of you for the last 245 years and for the loss of enjoyment of life for myself and my 'more' indigenous ancestors, the loss of there life and the indignant manner in which they were cooked up and eaten. Its all mine ....
Yogi publishes
Posted on 26-06-2014 08:14 | By robin bell
his 'version' of N.Zs. history. Under his rant, Robin Bell. Titles. Confirmation of his idiocy,I think you will all agree..Robin Bell.
PRIDE & HISTORY???
Posted on 26-06-2014 16:59 | By crazyhorse
Another chapter in the history of New Zealand was re-written last week when Hauhau fanatic Kereopa Te Rau was quietly given a statutory pardon for involvement in the killing of Reverend Carl Sylvius Volkner at Opotiki in March 1865.. Hey presto a pardon and 6 million bucks, this guy killed hundreds of maori,it was maori there at the time that gave the "true account, UTU, that's what it used to be about, the tribes that these maori belonged to say nothing, the "TROUGH" is all that matters, imagine if Te Arawa for the mana of their people questioned this revisionist history that pardoned the man who killed their people," but no", we wont question your history if you don't question ours, the last thing any trougher wants is to end up in a "proper court of law having one of their "researchers" prove what they have written, no way.
Kereopa Te rau The Truth,
Posted on 28-06-2014 11:01 | By robin bell
Crazy-horse spin yet again.The murder of Carl Volkner was horrible,but not surprisng. Like all missionaries of the day he was itinerant.A year before his murder he supplied plans of the Pa where Kereopa's wife and daughters were living in the Waikato. Missionaries told them and others they would be safe in a whare.Insurgent British troops burned down the whare and all in it. Volkner was told not to return to Opotiki,but he did. He was branded a spy. His death,in context of the times,inevitable. Not only did the British hang Kereopa,who was not a local,They hung Mokomoko and many more. Wait theres more,for that one murder they confiscated 50,000 hectares of the best land. Impoverishing Whakatohea to this day. Your an idiot Crazy -hoss,and the sooner you realise it the better. Robin Bell.
Kereopa
Posted on 28-06-2014 18:05 | By Jeromy Murkin
Killed hundreds of maori and they say nothing, do maori pardon him as well, no they say nothing, the trough must not be rocked, it must be kept full and easy to feast from, keep that new history cumming.
Murkin wants more,
Posted on 29-06-2014 19:37 | By robin bell
UTU,pretty much translates as revenge.Common amongst all ethnicities.It ruled the mentality of mankind for ever.Its happening as we speak in the middle east and Africa. It happened in Maori New Zealand,and it happened when the British punished Maori by confiscating their land. You can't change history crazyhoss, give it up now. Robin Bell.
propaganda
Posted on 29-06-2014 20:15 | By Jeromy Murkin
A key promise of the treaty settlement process is that as a society, we deal fully and finally with past injustices, achieve 'closure”, and move forward as one people. Evidence of the permanent wallow or out right troughing appeared in the Northland Age newspaper, in a series of columns by Anahera Herbert-Graves, a former nurse who was appointed chief executive at Te Runanga-a-Iwi o Ngati Kahu in June 2006. Ngati Kahu is the Far North tribe that is chaired by Margaret Mutu, who is Professor of Maori Studies at the University of Auckland. Mutu has the distinction of being the subject of a formal complaint with the Race Relations Office laid by Ngapuhi leader David Rankin for saying that white immigration to New Zealand should be restricted because it poses a threat to race relations due to immigrants'as in kiwi"we are here white supremacist" attitudes.
RUNNING OUT OF SUSPECTS,
Posted on 30-06-2014 18:29 | By crazyhorse
Now that {five of the six }people hanged for their role in the murder have been pardoned "the circumstances surrounding Volkner's death remain surrounded by great mystery", So it appears that Volkner's killing was just one out-of-the-blue act done by Mr Nobody The "NEW" report said that many of those who testified against Kereopa were themselves (allegedly) implicated in Volkner's death, but had been granted immunity from prosecution in return for helping to secure a conviction. This is exactly how history is revised. Dissident killers are quietly transformed into noble savages, and the new orthodoxy that presents Kereopa as an innocent victim of the wicked white colonizer will be taught in schools and universities, I have a hunch the real killer escaped on one of the Ngapuhi ships circumnavigating the world at the time??ended up as a maori diplomat in Sweden, question this new "paid for"history, your "racist," "red neck"
robin bell
Posted on 30-06-2014 18:38 | By crazyhorse
Quote {You can't change history}NZ history gets changed every few months, changed to suit, Dissident killers are quietly transformed into noble savages, and the new orthodoxy that presents Kereopa as an innocent victim of the wicked white colonizer will be taught in schools and universities, even the pet pakeha Bell can't deny history is changing all the time to make it easier to feast from the trough!!.
More dross from
Posted on 01-07-2014 09:12 | By robin bell
crazy-hoss,The show trial of Kereopa was a perfect example,of the injustice of 19th century law. Held in Napier,defence witnesses not allowed to travel from Opotiki."Trial" lasts 15minutes a travesty. The only "witness" for the prosecution,didn't actually see the killing. There is no "noble savage" and Kereopa was not an innocent victim. He fought against the illegal theft of land in the Waikato.The Queen has apologised for that insurgency.He had to endure the murder of his wife and two daughters,two days later the killing of his sister. I note no sympathy from you.History does not change,only those like you, who use it to take advantage,troughing in self pity and self appointed expertise,as Ive said before,the actions of an idiot. Robin Bell.
Robin
Posted on 01-07-2014 12:29 | By YOGI BEAR
In reading Crazyhorse's comments and checking up on the actual history of NZ it is apparent that he has a lot of valid points in what he is saying. Especially about the changing of history every few months, that tends to muddy the waters.
More dross from
Posted on 01-07-2014 20:52 | By crazyhorse
The lap dog, who actually killed Kereopa's family members, British troops < "maori troops" or maybe just "utu" by another tribe, not a word about all the decapitating and eye eating that went on, what about the settlers woman, children tortured and murdered by this man, maybe the crown needs to start "paying for research" to "suite" is the crown even asking question's, looking at what actually happened, or are they there to "steady the trough"
koha
Posted on 02-07-2014 17:17 | By crazyhorse
On the news again, publicly funded "koha" to the tune of $200.000 a year. A 3 News investigation has revealed Government agencies are giving away hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of taxpayer-funded koha, most of it without receipts. Dr Muriel Newman in 2004 found Reports of Government departments spending more than a million dollars on koha revealed a disturbing attitude toward taxpayers' money. Here we are 2014 and, Documents obtained by 3 News reveal Government agencies give away tens of thousands each year without receipts. "This is raising all sorts of red flags," says New Zealand First leader Winston Peters. 3 News asked 30 Government departments for their koha records under the Official Information Act, and found more than $200,000 of taxpayer-funded koha has been given in the past two years. 2004 to 2014 about 2 million in "koha" a "TROUGH WITH IN A TROUGH" FOR "TROUGHERS".
King of Koha
Posted on 07-07-2014 13:11 | By YOGI BEAR
Yeah not a good picture there Crazyhorse, I can see that there is anything good out of all that. Paying Koha is completely unacceptable unless for genuine reason and that the paperwork is there before approval.
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