The Rogers Rabbits brief editorial on the recent celebration of The Battle of Gate Pa, and some people's reaction to it, was timely to say the least.
Coupled with the usual nauseous and negative comments of R Paterson (‘Overkill on Gate Pa battle?', The Weekend Sun, May 2) and to a lesser degree Brian Monk (‘The other side of the story', The Weekend Sun, May 2), it highlights the gulf between ‘history' and the truth. It is true to say, there are two sides to a story. There can never be two sides to the truth.
Paterson claims it was Maori who were the insurgents, however the British were guilty of altering the terms of the treaty.
This ‘tinkering' led to discontent, and subsequent massive land seizure.
The Holy Covenant sold to Maori, was anything but.
There must have been fault on both sides, but the British, and those that followed, must bear the responsibility of the duty of care the treaty gave them.
Constantly whinging about the progress we are making will serve no one.
Robin Bell, Omanawa.


10 comments
Brilliant comment Robin Bell
Posted on 09-05-2014 11:26 | By Peter Dey
Robin, you have summed up the truth brilliantly. You have got right to the heart of the truth in an absolute minimum of words. Well done.
WAH! WAH! TREATY
Posted on 09-05-2014 21:09 | By crazyhorse
'In 1989 24 years ago the 4th labour government under the leadership of the Right Honourable Sir Geoffrey Palmer established the Treaty principles.” If the Palmer government established them, then they didn't previously exist, i.e. at the time of the Waitangi meeting. It could be said that it documented the principles if the text accurately represented the original agreement. The text doesn't distinguish between Maori of the tribes who signed, and Maori of the tribes who did not sign. Hobson lied about sovereignty being ceded in entirety. If we accept that tino rangatiratanga includes sovereignty, then the text does not represent the agreement that formed the basis of the treaty.BY CRAZYHORSE.
Many thanks,
Posted on 10-05-2014 09:13 | By robin bell
Peter,I had a very good "teacher" as you see the crazy horse is still ranting.Now Hobson is a "liar".Dear oh!dear.
Only one truth
Posted on 10-05-2014 19:28 | By Mike Kuipers von Lande
There can only be one truth. And as we all know it is that Maori were an appallingly savage, genocidal plethora of stone age cannibalistic tribes. With many of them massacring settlers in their beds and vowing to exterminate them from the country the government acted to enforce the treaty that most Maori had signed but few were honouring. Despite Puhirake aiding and supporting Waikato tribes in their savage rebellion, the crown left him in peace, hoping the defeat of these tribes would cause him to reconsider his actions. Sadly he insisted that the crown fight him as well and when they ignored him he threatened to wipe the Tauranga settlement off the map. As he reaped,, so he sewed. The 'settlement' events of the last 40 years have created the poorest relations between Maori and non Maori for over 150 years - and they continue to worsen.
Crazyhorse there were two Treaty versions
Posted on 10-05-2014 20:04 | By Peter Dey
Crazyhorse seems to repeat the mistake of not accepting that there were two official Waitangi Treaties, a version in English and a version in Maori that did not translate exactly. Geoffrey Palmer's Treaty Principles simply provided a modern combined understanding of the two Treaties. No big deal.
Wi Kuki Kaa in Te Putatara 1990
Posted on 11-05-2014 09:08 | By crazyhorse
'I resent the implication that the Kahui Ariki at Waitangi 1840 didn‘t quite know what they were about. E hika ma! They weren‘t dumb; they were learned men, products of missionary education. They wanted, because they needed it, a document to create some form of law and order: to protect themselves from the rapaciousness of the re-settlers whose material goods had helped to improve their standard of living; but also from those of us in the Tai Rawhiti and elsewhere still smarting from the humiliations inflicted on us by Cyclone Hongi, Cyclone Pomare or Cyclone Patuone. 'The Tai Tokerau people were becoming prosperous - a situation which only thrives in a climate of peace.
NEW ZEALAND IN CRISIS
Posted on 11-05-2014 09:14 | By crazyhorse
'He iwi tahi taou - We are now one people” In 1840 Governor Hobson signed the Tiriti o Waitangi on behalf of Queen Victoria with over 500 chiefs who agreed to, 'All the rights will given to them (Maori) the same as her doings for the people of England”. "" This Agreement has been broken.""but by who?. If you want an "honest" account of what happened, get on this site and read on. http://onenzfoundation.co.nz/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/NEW-ZEALAND-IN-CRISIS-_Book-Contents_3.pdf Read this Dey get some truth into ya!
Mike Kuipers von Lande,
Posted on 11-05-2014 09:56 | By robin bell
has no ability to think laterally.What the Maori race,may have been,could have been or were is totally irrelevent.In fact,one has to ask,if things were as bad as he claims.What in "gods" name were settlers doing,trying to take land,under such conditions? His disproportional,vitriolic hate talk is typical of the deluded,selfish extreme right.The simple truth is that,in spite of claims to the contrary,Kuipers von Lande and his co-horts are in disarray.The equally simple truth and facts are that,in spite of early and on going difficulties,both founding races survive and at last both prosper."Vive la differance" Robin Bell.
VERSIONS IS RIGHT DEY
Posted on 11-05-2014 13:21 | By crazyhorse
In every sound bite, press release or tribal meeting, the claim will be repeated, using the basic principle of the Nazi propaganda machine, that a lie repeated often enough becomes the new truth.
Peter Dey is correct,
Posted on 12-05-2014 10:11 | By robin bell
when the treaty was translated two "versions" were created. The British were responsible for the accuracy,and any misunderstanding Palmer simply sorted it out.Wi Kuki Ka was an actor,not an historian.Prideful,yes. Knowledgable maybe.relevent to this argument?absolutely not. Robin Bell.
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