In a renewed effort to turn the tide of racial tolerance, R Paterson and the Andersons continue to misguide and misinform.
In the Weekend Sun January 24 edition, Paterson claims wrongly Maori control parliament, saying 'Maori are un-elected self-invited visitors”and the powhiri is simply a welcoming ceremony, nothing more nothing less; a token recognition of local iwi who represent the indigenous people of NZ.
In a recent Colmar Brunton poll 75 per cent were proud or very proud of Maori culture. Paterson clearly sits with the 23 per cent not at all proud, hardly the majority he claims to speak for.
Likewise, to respond to the Anderson's letter ‘Small party's big influence', Pita Sharples was not only a member of the Maori Party, he was a Minister.
He signed the UN declaration on our behalf, before we became the only nation not to. Finally, the Constitutional Review was not 'ethnically- loaded”. It had no 'power” to 'entrench” a constitution or anything else. It was formed to inform and to gauge opinion. It found little support for change. These machinations only serve an extremist position.
Robin Bell, Pyes Pa.


46 comments
CONSTITUTIONAL REVIEW
Posted on 31-01-2014 18:29 | By crazyhorse
Decide for your selves-{ prof John Burrows-retired judge, Tipene O'regan Ngai tahu negotiator , Peter Chin lawyer mayor, Deborah Coddington delusional propagandist (sort of like a born again christian!)? Michael Cullen Tuwharetoa negotiator??????,John Luxton done a bit of fundraising with Tuku Morgan in the Waikato ???,Bernice Mene ex silver fern all round nice person, Dr Leonie Pihana maori activist???,Hinurwa Poutu maori activist???,Prof Linda Tuhiwai Smith maori activist in university studies?????,Peter Tennant mayor of New plymouth, and I will save the best for last "Dr Ranganui Walker maori activist and member of the Waitangi tribunal", once again democracy "BELL" style.
TAIL WAGGING THE DOG
Posted on 31-01-2014 18:33 | By crazyhorse
After world war 2 Germany changed their voting system to what we call MMP,mixed member proportional representation, this was to stop another nightmare as in Hitler and his small fascist group, it was soon copied by many other countries including NZ, the idea is for the votes to end up mirroring the make up of the general population,the reason for the change to MMP in NZ was to stop any one small group of people or individuals going against the wishes of the majority as in a (constitutional review!!), who asked for it, THE MAORI PARTY DID,behind closed doors with Key,the maori party only got 31,000 votes, Tariana Turia got only 3,221 "MMP, NOT FOR ME".
Robin Bell is wrong
Posted on 01-02-2014 15:33 | By [email protected]
The people that are called Maori are not the indigenous people of New Zealand they came after the Celts (Scots), Patupaiarehe, aChinese,Waitaha,Moriori.the people called Maori never had a culture, they took that off the people that were living here before them. Ian Brougham Wanganui
OK!Mr BROUGHAM
Posted on 01-02-2014 16:12 | By robin bell
Lets see your proof,you have absolutely none.Not once have you offered any because you can't and you know it.Your claim that Zengh He Chinese hero 'dropped off' a few Maori,is totally false as you well know.The rest of your claims are a pathetic attempt to denigrate Maori history.You maybe a proud celt but if they were all like you,they would never have acheived what they did.Which does not include travell to the South Pacific.Robin Bell.
CONSTITUTIONAL REVIEW
Posted on 02-02-2014 09:34 | By Jeromy Murkin
I had no idea of the make up of this panel, how can anyone say this is not loaded, how many other people have not heard of this.
Claim
Posted on 02-02-2014 11:31 | By robin bell
You claim to be uninformed,you should not rely on Crazy's biased,bigoted descriptions.Seven of the twelve members of the review panel,were non-Maori.If as he suggests, (and you apparently,)the Pakeha members are tainted by an association with Maori,Then what hope do we have for a rational debate,when such an association disqualifies participation.Bernice of course is exempted by Crazy,on the grounds that she is an allround "nice girl".No argument from me on that.In Crazy's world any Maori,being Maori or having the audacity to voice an opinion is classed as an activist.Dear oh!dear,where will it all end.
Lets see your proof.
Posted on 02-02-2014 18:35 | By crazyhorse
Hmmm, interesting times, if this ladies DNA matches Mr Brougham's research. Unlike many Maori people, Monica believes that her tribe came from a different lineage, one which travelled from overseas and brought new and interesting skills to New Zealand. Mostly, she believes that these people did not find New Zealand by mistake, in fact they mapped their way to the country. And she's not alone in her beliefs. In fact as far back as the 1930s, historian James Cowan portrays a picture of a girl in The Maori: Yesterday and Today, with the caption: 'Urukehu girl, of the Urewera tribe at Mataatua (Ruatahuna). This is the ancient fair-haired type, pure Maori.” (Cowan, 1930), have a read. http://www.elocal.co.nz/view_Article~id~1076%20%20%20%20%20%20.html
Uninformed.
Posted on 02-02-2014 20:55 | By Jeromy Murkin
Not now, activists, on a board of any kind, ther is no place for that.
Classed as an activist,
Posted on 02-02-2014 21:03 | By crazyhorse
LAP DOG, THESE PEOPLE ADVERTISE THEM SELVES AS ACTIVISTS, THEY DON'T HIDE THE FACT, THEY ARE "PART" MAORI ACTIVISTS, THEY WOULD BE THE FIRST TO ARGUE WITH "YOU" ABOUT THAT, LOL.
That mapping you refer to..
Posted on 03-02-2014 02:17 | By awaroa
Crazyhorse, are you sure it wasn't a map of a square world. The ones that were developed by the famous expert sea-faring european explorers who were too scared to sail past the horizon for fear of falling of the edge of the world? Or were they the far more accurate, informed ones? The ones developed by ones of the true seafaring peoples of the world - polynesians?
Interesting reading awaroa
Posted on 03-02-2014 14:36 | By crazyhorse
Is all I refer to, all I'm doing is sharing information, myself, I have no opinion on it, just find all the fuss amusing, the one thing I do know is that there are as many maori don't believe that they were first here, mostly elders, Kaumatua from most iwi. As far as true seafaring peoples of the world - polynesians, the last time I saw any of that was on lake Taupo, 2 Waka taua got out about 250 meters, the wind blew up one capsized the other got towed by the coast guard!.
Here's how it works Crazy,
Posted on 03-02-2014 16:18 | By robin bell
elocal,sensationalist conspiracy magazine and bloggers.Get the staff or clientele to find a story,build it to something it never was, don't worry about truth,just sell it.Plenty of suckers out there to exploit.(Thats you and Brougham,Crazy.)I must say Monica has a lovely head of Red hair,not at all bad for a 72yr old,looks a bit like a wig,but hey benifit of doubt and all that.Add a caption like er!"These are the people that Kupe spoke about,over a thousand years ago."Yeah!right'.I'll make a prediction for you to bash me with Crazy.When your friends at elocal release the results of Monicas D.N.A.it will show she has European(Celtic)Chinese,Polynesian,Taiwanese(hill tribes)maybe a bit of Aussie Aboriginal(lots of red hair there)as you know Crazy,living amongst them as you do.One day I'll tell you about the English woman,secretary of the racist Popular Front,or some such.You'll love it.Robin Bell.
Activists,
Posted on 03-02-2014 17:08 | By robin bell
I think you misunderstand the term activist.Its a bit like the word Indigenous, you get that wrong too.Activist- a vigorous exponent of a political ideal.Particularly active.Not a lot to fear there.Perhaps you mistake the use of the word,when describing those who advocate violence.You know,someone like David Round who spoke recently in Tauranga.Robin Bell.
MY MY ROBIN
Posted on 03-02-2014 21:13 | By crazyhorse
Having a bad hair day, as I said to awaroa, I simply share information, once again I have know opinion on this, it is amusing to share it and watch what people do with it, especially you Bell.
Activists,
Posted on 03-02-2014 22:17 | By crazyhorse
A vigorous exponent of a political ideal.Particularly active, how does the dictionary define Activist- a vigorous exponent of a political ideal. a person or thing that is a representative,to advocate. Synonyms 1. supporter, champion, proponent, promote,"as in entrenching the TOW" in to a written constituation {you are carving it here Robby, keep it up!!!}.
Maori have the right,
Posted on 04-02-2014 13:02 | By robin bell
To campaign to have the treaty entrenched in a written Constitution.You have the right to oppose.However you chose to ignore the solemn agreement the Treaty represents.Ceding sovereignty did not give the British,or you the right to ignore "trust doctrine"ie.to act in the best interests of the the tribes.Maori did not cede the right to manage (govern)thier own affairs.To now claim that the treaty is no longer relevant is to ignore the moral and legal responsibilities enshrined at its signing.Now the tribes are better organised and better educated.By the way Crazy,you don't "share information"you churn out misinformation.Endlessly,Awaroa knows this.Robin Bell.
Spot the difference..
Posted on 05-02-2014 02:14 | By awaroa
I had to laugh at your comments Crazyhorse, Lake (freshwater) Taupo an example of seafaring (oceanic) customs? Ka pai you! Oh and kaumatua you reckon.. Are you sure they ain't kehua making your hinengaro porangi? Coz certainly aren't any of my kaumatua or kaumatua I know but that right, you would probably know more kaumatua than I do.. Yeah right, lake Taupo.. Seafaring.. So funny. Kia kaha hoiho-rori
Maori have the right,
Posted on 05-02-2014 10:17 | By crazyhorse
As we all do, no more, no less, as for the industry known as the treaty of waitangi and all it's "hangers on". It was American writer and philosopher Eric Hoffer who said, 'Every cause begins with a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket.”
Ka pai you!
Posted on 05-02-2014 11:19 | By Jeromy Murkin
So awarao, you deny any maori agree with the "theory" that they were not here first, I can also see the reasoning behind the lake taupo example, those canoes wood be much more stable a coulple thousand miles out to sea, let us here all about it?????
HMMMM! CAN'T GET ACROSS
Posted on 05-02-2014 11:31 | By crazyhorse
Lake Taupo But "sweet as" to paddle a couple thousand kms. Ihr nicht das Schärfste Werkzeug im Schuppen
The Temper of our Time ,
Posted on 05-02-2014 13:12 | By robin bell
by Eric Hoffer.Great author and champion of the working class.I wonder what he would think of your rubbish Crazy?A lovely quote ,just for you."Rudeness is the weak mans imitation of streangth"Your insults to Awaroa,simply prove the truth of that quote.It seems you have a new friend,mirkin.When the great Polynesian(Maori)were exploring the Pacific Europeans were hugging the coast or short hopping around close islands.As for your German ancestors Crazy,I think you will find they were landlocked.Robin Bell.
SEAFARING WHERE TO??
Posted on 05-02-2014 19:41 | By crazyhorse
polynesians discovered the world???, how come they never made it to Australia, why is there no mention in any captains log English, Spanish, Dutch, Chinese, or who ever from ancient sailing nations of, "running" into these mighty sailers,oooooh, hang on, early model polynesian "submarines" honestly I don't know what I would do with out you now Bell.
Such colonial views
Posted on 06-02-2014 18:39 | By awaroa
some people have. If I may, I suggest some research into Polynesian navigation would be helpful for you to understand that my ancestors did not "row" here in dugout "canoes" wearing grass skirts. Maybe Jeromy might want to do some of his own research into the same. But he needs to learn how to spell his native language in the first instance. I feel for you both because it appears your minds are locked in a colonial space. Perfect whakatauki for this context Mr Bell. Kia kaha
No hearing for non-iwi constitutional group!!!
Posted on 06-02-2014 20:17 | By crazyhorse
The government has declined meeting with the non-iwi Independent Constitutional Review Panel on the grounds that it is not meeting with other groups. But if the Iwi Leaders Group chooses to raise the issue at the next regular meeting, which is on Wednesday at Waitangi, the government will be happy to discuss it. A race-based system of co-governance has emerged. Everyone gets to elect representatives who form a government. But this elected government acts as though it is in partnership with non-elected private Maori groups that have been created and funded by - the government. If you don't like the race-based governance that we have, you have two votes this year to register disapproval. Or, you could try to talk to your MP. Good luck with that! http://www.nzcpr.com/no-hearing-for-non-iwi-constitutional-group/
Hone Harawira (constitution)
Posted on 07-02-2014 09:44 | By crazyhorse
Te Tiriti o Waitangi is rightfully regarded as the founding document of this nation, The timing is right for Ngapuhi to step up to the challenge of ensuring Te Tiriti becomes a central plank in the ""constitutional transformation"" of Aotearoa, and the opportunity that it presents to redefine the future for its own descendants. By Hone Harawira.
MY COLONIAL VIEW AWAROA
Posted on 07-02-2014 12:32 | By Jeromy Murkin
(My) (native language)?, Maori came to New Zealand about 1000 years before europeans, right, or roundabout , these mighty sailors used complex star charts winds and currents designed massive vessels to go thru storms and big seas, is this right awaroa?. Then in the thousand or so years befor european arrived "evolved" into stone age CANNIBALS, RIGHT AWAROA???????? . beating eating and torturing each other, you complain that we stoped this??, thats what the treaty did.
Back in the conspiracy bucket crazy,
Posted on 07-02-2014 13:16 | By robin bell
The so-called Independent panel you refer to represent no-one.As you well know they are simply a bunch of extreme right-wing Treaty haters.The Iwi Leaders Group represent Iwi.Waitangi is one place of (symbolic value)that Iwi discuss issuse important to both parties.You are now becoming desperate and boring.Why don't you take up the cause of the Aboriginal,that would be most noble.Robin Bell.
Wi Kuki Kaa in Te Putatara 5/90 of 21st May 1990:
Posted on 08-02-2014 17:48 | By crazyhorse
'I resent the implication that the Kahui Ariki at Waitangi 1840 didn‘t quite know what they were about. E hika ma! They weren‘t dumb; they were learned men, products of missionary education. They wanted, because they needed it, a document to create some form of law and order: to protect themselves from the rapaciousness of the re-settlers whose material goods had helped to improve their standard of living; but also from those of us in the Tai Rawhiti and elsewhere still smarting from the humiliations inflicted on us by Cyclone Hongi, Cyclone Pomare or Cyclone Patuone. 'The Tai Tokerau people were becoming prosperous - a situation which only thrives in a climate of peace
ZIPPITY DOO DAH
Posted on 10-02-2014 21:57 | By CONDOR
Heavens what can the punters take out of all this belliccose invective.Well for openers BELLS PETS are not indigenous and have less culture than yeast and are generally non contributing parasites looking for a host to leech off. No worries the cure is readily available @ no race related parliamentary or council seats @ abandonment of WTF Tribunal @ no special class treatment for any race !!!. Now isn't that a pleasant outcome to strive for - equal opportunity, equal treatment ,equal citizenship rights for all NZ citizen.
Picking Bells bones.
Posted on 12-02-2014 15:42 | By robin bell
Condors neo Victorian,Colonial bigotry shows through yet again.In a transparent effort to elevate itself,the vulture hovers between,fact and fiction,truth and untruth.Claiming Maori are not "indigenous" to N.Z.The British new the truth and used the word to describe native populations.There is no magic to it,its very simple.The world recognises it,but not condor and friends,Tuff!!There will be no "pleasant outcome"for your average vulture,sorry.Perhaps our miserable condor can give us an example of "Vulture Culture"(perhaps it already has.The Bone Picking is over condor,time to go to roost.Robin Bell.
Tolling the Bell
Posted on 18-02-2014 19:50 | By CONDOR
Ranting raving and unbalanced mental outbursts won't work so for hells sake get back on the placid medicine because whatever other medication you are taking ain't working bros.Oh by the way whereabouts in NZ were you born?
Ring my Bell ...
Posted on 24-02-2014 10:44 | By YOGI BEAR
Not yet, not likely as the entrenched mind set can not see anything other than the initial programming.
Another
Posted on 24-02-2014 13:59 | By robin bell
"Entrenched mindset" "Initial programming"Surely you refer to your own "Winter of discontent"no worries,you can sleep right through it,like all good bears.Before you "nod off"get in touch with your friend Condor,It will fatten you both up on "Vulture Culture"Robin Bell.
Another Bell Rings ...
Posted on 24-02-2014 15:44 | By YOGI BEAR
When the argument is lost the personal elements of attack come to the front and anything that looks plausible otherwise soon vanishes into the distant past of where it was created from. Sadly not being able to consider anything new, anything "different" to the pre-set min-set means any evidence, facts or documentation (the obvious correct answers) have to be rejected via personal rather than factual opinion. Please divert your love/hate interest here back tot eh issue and of course the facts you don't want to face.
Personal elements of attack,
Posted on 24-02-2014 20:31 | By robin bell
you will agree mr bear,that it is you who choses to hide behind a silly pseudonym.That in itself reduces these exchanges to the rediculous."Considering something new"must refer to your 'revisionist historians"Moon,Robinson,Round etc,etc,etc.Non of whom are qualified historians.Something different must refer to "seven pre-Maori civilisations",or the true meaning of indigenous,or your recent admission that the Treaty is indeed a partnership.You ask me to quit insulting you and your friends.Its easy mr bear,all you need to do is quit insulting the Maori people,their history, their culture their lives.Forget your self-appointed intelectualism,put your name to your comments,and maybe you will gain the respect you desire.Robin Bell.
NO CHOICE, PSEUDONYM
Posted on 25-02-2014 09:42 | By crazyhorse
Maybe the people writing in have reasons to use a "pseudonym", as in work in the public service, health, education, now that the "TOW" is used to indoctrinate staff they must be careful, anyone can see how these people would be frustrated,unable to speak out at work or in public, but, what would happen to them if , hmmm, we need an example, I know, someone writes into "SunLive", maybe a teacher who is forced to teach revisionist untrue history, someone in the health system say coming up for their review or just say a nurse training at Waiariki institute of technology. These people could lose their jobs, maybe demoted, and the poor trainee nurse, "they would talk about her in the "maori" only study room". Would she pass her course, even with good marks, what do you reckon campers.
COME ON FRONT UP MATE
Posted on 26-02-2014 18:31 | By CONDOR
Mr. Bell you haven't answered the question asked previously namely were you born in New Zealand if so where.If not born in NZ do you now have full NZ citizenship and a current NZ passport.
Edward Taihakurei Durie, 1989
Posted on 26-02-2014 20:02 | By crazyhorse
"Chief Judge of the Maori Land Court and Chairman of the Waitangi Tribunal"..... 'The Treaty is moving in as surely as the tide. In the statutes of our Parliament, in bureaucratic operations, in the level of the administration of the courts and in local authority planning, the Treaty is now well known. You know when we stand at the foreshore we do not always see the movement of the tide. We see no more than the regular breaking of the waves, as if no painful inch is gained. But look back to the creeks and inlets. There, silently, it is plain to see the tide running at full flow …” {we want it all and we want it now} "at no cost though",well unless it's to the" NZ tax payer"!!!
Where are they?Crazy
Posted on 26-02-2014 21:54 | By robin bell
All these frightened,oppressed people.All these mysterious, indoctrinated nurses and schoolteachers.All these fearfull government workers.Our country is over run with frightened people using pseudonyms to hide from the N.Z. equivelent of the Gestapo.You certainly chose the right one,"CRAZY" does'nt even start to describe your rubbish.Robin Bell.
SOUND FAMILIAR ???
Posted on 26-02-2014 22:32 | By crazyhorse
'The best way to take control over a people and control them utterly is to take a little of their freedom at a time, to erode rights by a thousand tiny and almost imperceptible reductions. In this way, the people will not see those rights and freedoms being removed until past the point at which these changes cannot be reversed.” ? Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf
C
Posted on 27-02-2014 18:31 | By CONDOR
Please let us all know are you a NewZealander by birth or by naturalisation or are you not a NZ citizen at all.?
Our Apartheid GOV'T
Posted on 27-02-2014 21:06 | By crazyhorse
Tribes threaten action on carbon price. Heh, heh, heh! Tribes accepted carbon credits as payment and those credits have slumped in value -- so the tribes are threatening a $600-million treaty claim, and will take their case to the United Nations in a bid to get the government to revalue the credits. Greedy iwi, global warming stupidity, frequently it appears the chickens come home to roost. This is how the story has unfolded over the past few weeks. The Iwi Leadership Forum told Prime Minister John Key at Waitangi on February 5, 2014, that it is about to implement a "climate change escalation strategy" which includes a treaty claim for $600-million over the lost value of carbon forestry, according to carbon market newsletter Carbon News.http://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com.au/2014/02/mike-butler-tribes-threaten-action-on.html
Ngapuhi dollar amount declines
Posted on 27-02-2014 21:13 | By crazyhorse
The dollar amount for any Ngapuhi settlement is declining after a prediction yesterday from Labour MP Shane Jones that the government offer would be $250-million -- when the total demanded by claimants on Waitangi Day was up to $600-million.(1) From the Far North, Jones is of Te Aupouri and Ngai Takoto descent, as well as having Croatian, Welsh and English ancestry. Both Te Aupouri and Ngai Takoto have signed deeds of settlement. Jones even worked out for Ngapuhi the amount they would lose each year by not settling. Without the Waitangi Tribunal's tortured arguments, the Ngapuhi claim for such a vast sum of taxpayers money cannot be justified. Note also that this claim is being negotiated before the Waitangi Tribunal has completed its inquiry into Ngapuhi claims. The government has made a decision without regarding the inquiry. http://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com.au/2014/02/mike-butler-ngapuhi-dollar-amount.html
CANCEROUS GROWTH
Posted on 27-02-2014 21:17 | By crazyhorse
Why should teachers be forced to promote the ‘Maori world view' to their students?. The New Zealand Curriculum--- "up date"-- {Treaty of Waitangi principles} file:///C:/Users/Owner/Downloads/NZC%20Update%20Issue%2016.pdf nursingcouncil of New Zealand-- {indoctrination} http://nursingcouncil.org.nz/Media/Files/Guidelines-for-cultural-safety-the-Treaty-of-Waitangi-and-Maori-health-in-nursing-education-and-practice3 READ AND WEEP!!!!!
SILLY
Posted on 28-02-2014 10:47 | By crazyhorse
I just told you where all these these fearful people are Robin, in all Gov't run institutions, being indoctrinated with the TOW and all it's "Disney style" and "revisionist" idea's of what didn't happen, please keep up,your constant "frothing" at the mouth gets us know where.
Still
Posted on 28-02-2014 12:36 | By robin bell
Mike Butler,contributing writer to the extreme right wing National Business Review,promoters of capitalist values over social justice.Treatygate blogger,supporter of Allan Titford.Strong opponent of fair and just compensation to Maori for stolen land.Spreads misleading,misinformation(just like you crazy)regarding the Treaty rights of Maori.And you think its funny,how sad.Not to worry though,your support has disappeared and the setlement process is almost complete he!he!he! Robin Bell.
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