Peter Dey, your simplistic response as to why present taxpayers should pay for Treaty Settlements contained no factual basis at all and in fact posed an even greater question – exactly who do you regard as a New Zealand citizen or taxpayer? You claim that NZ Govt, citizens and taxpayers have been receiving a financial benefit from confiscated lands. Does that not mean that NZ citizens, both maori and non maori have been beneficiaries of this so called ‘unjustified $100 million windfall'? How confusing? The ‘current taxpayers' you refer to should therefore encompass maori and non maori too? Are you suggesting that maori taxpayers should be ‘quite happy' paying for treaty settlements also? All New Zealand citizens are born with the same rights and the same expectations to be contributing members of society despite the historical actions of some. It's time to move on.
A Whistler, Waihi Beach.
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Blah blah blah
Posted on 13-08-2013 17:46 | By Te Ponui
Same questions, different wording. Easy for A Whistle to move on, her lands were not taken illegally
Te Ponui
Posted on 13-08-2013 21:35 | By crazyhorse
Well give us your version,with the facts on how your land was taken illegally,please do not use the untruths from the likes of Orange or Paul Moon, legal description please,don't worry your loser mates Dey and Bell will help you out.
@ Te Ponui
Posted on 14-08-2013 08:08 | By Mike Kuipers von Lande
And neither were yours. Please study the genuine history, not the fanciful stuff made up over the last 40 years. While you and your descendants were treated well, you have treated us with contempt and stolen universal resources from us over the last 40 years. Don't imagine this can ever end in anything but tears.
Blah Blah Balh
Posted on 14-08-2013 11:53 | By Mike Kuipers von Lande
Easy for Te Ponui to claim lands were taken illegally when history has been rewritten to pretend they were. On the other hand the lands taken by tribal Maori over the last 40 years HAVE been taken through fraud and deceit. This will need redressing.
Micky Von Mouse
Posted on 14-08-2013 18:17 | By Te Ponui
blah blah blah. Been there heard that. So why do they continue if you are so sure they are taken through fraud? Because, you are wrong. Thats why.
Fraud and Deceit
Posted on 14-08-2013 19:00 | By robin bell
Yet more threats from Kuipers von Lande.Lets see now, contempt.Highly valuable land taken under the Public Works act by the Crown.Reason,to use as an emergency airfield during World war two.Not used so returned to the original owners."In a PIGS EAR"gifted to the local council and business fraternity.When the rightful owners protested they were vilified by many Pakeha including the press.I suppose you could call that being treated well.On the other hand you could call that FRAUD and DECEIT.What say you Kuipers von Lande.Lots more where that came from. Robin Bell.
Robbin Bell
Posted on 14-08-2013 22:01 | By Plonker
That is the same stuff as before that has all been disproved already.
Stuff.
Posted on 15-08-2013 09:38 | By robin bell
OK!Plonk lets see your disproving evidence.No wriggling now.We need names,dates and proof of your claim.Robin Bell.
20,000HA WORTH MORE THAN $100 MILLION IS FACTUAL
Posted on 16-08-2013 11:26 | By Peter Dey
A.Whistler says that there is no factual basis to the $100 million current value of Tauranga confiscated land. He is talking nonsense. Nobody disputes the fact that 20,000ha of Tauranga Maori land was confiscated in 1865. BOP farmland currently sells at about $40,000 per hectare. This is a fact that any land agent will confirm. The current value of 20,000ha of Tauranga farmland is therefore $800 million. It is certainly more than the $100 million of the original letter.
WE ARE MOVING ON
Posted on 16-08-2013 23:02 | By Peter Dey
A,Whistler seems not to realise that we are moving on, but Treaty settlements for past injustice by the Government are part of the process. If he wants to be part of the moving on then he should stop complaining about it. Treaty settlement compensation is paid to the tribes who had land confiscated, and paid for by all taxpayers, Maori and non-Maori. It is the same as insurance. People who receive an insurance payout have also contributed to it from their premium.
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