Dr Graham Cliff criticises Tommy Kapai for using wrong figures for the $800 million final cost of the South Canterbury Finance bailout. However he makes a mistake himself with the cost to the taxpayer of Treaty settlements. About half of Treaty settlements are simply Crown land returned, and cost the taxpayer nothing. The total cash cost of Treaty settlements to the taxpayer is probably about $800 million, the same as the South Canterbury Finance bailout. Dr Cliff also refers to fraudulent Waitangi Treaty claims but produces no evidence that there have been any. He refers us to the book: ”Twisting the Treaty” in support of his view but although the book accuses Maori of fraudulent Treaty claims it produces no actual evidence of this, and neither has anybody else. Multiple Treaty claims are another issue but these have only occurred when earlier settlements were unfair to Maori such as in 1981 when local Maori accepted compensation of $250,000 for confiscated land worth over $200 million. Bryan Johnson and Mary Brooks in other letters confuse total Treaty settlements (less than $2 billion), with total Maori assets (about $40 billion). $40 billion of Maori assets sounds huge but New Zealanders together now own about $2,000 billion of assets. This means that Maori own about 2% of New Zealand's assets. What threat to anybody is that?
Peter Dey, Welcome Bay.


56 comments
Crown land returned?
Posted on 18-07-2013 15:15 | By YOGI BEAR
Peter you have forgotten the fact that for example Maori hold more land now than in 1840, 1860 or so, 1946, 2000 and 2009. This has come about because of the fact that Maori have sold it, claimed it back and then sold it again ... this cycle has occurred a number of times and as many as seven times in some cases. Any "reasonable" person looking at that would simply ask why are these people not in Jail and staying there permanently? A quick look at the Jails would seem to indicate that has partly happened already but the claims continue so the wrong-doers are not yet locked up as yet and the benefactors are still at large and not sharing.
No Threat Just Ignorance
Posted on 19-07-2013 10:42 | By robin bell
Well put Peter'as you can tell by yogi's effort prejudice runs deep with these people.Keep up the good work Robin Bell.
Wrong yet again!
Posted on 19-07-2013 17:20 | By Mike Kuipers von Lande
Maori privilege costs non Maori 1.4 Billion PER YEAR, not even a once off. As for your ludicrous suggestion that all the $billions in land stolen from us and given to Maori is worth nothing - if it's worth nothing then why do they want it?? While your at it then I'll have your house and land for nothing if you feel that way. Yeah right!
RETURNED LAND COSTS TAXPAYERS NOTHING
Posted on 19-07-2013 21:30 | By Peter Dey
Mike von Lande is confusing the value of land and the cost to taxpayers to return it. The value of returned land is millions of dollars. The cost to the taxpayer to return land is zero. The Government spends $100 billion a year. $1.4 billion spent on Maori is 1.4% of Government spending. Maori make up 15% of the population. Mike von Lande is going on about nothing.
MAORI LAND 66 Million down to 3 million acres
Posted on 19-07-2013 22:07 | By Peter Dey
YOGI BEAR is rambling again with information that is not fact. He is just playing a meaningless game. Maori owned 66 million acres in 1840 and 3 million acres in 1975. YOGI BEAR should tell us the area of land that Maori now own if it is more than 3 million acres (7.5 million hectares). Nobody has produced evidence of any fraudulent Treaty claims.
STOLEN LAND COSTS TAXPAYERS $BILLIONS
Posted on 21-07-2013 08:14 | By Mike Kuipers von Lande
More rubbish from Mr. Dey. Land stolen from taxpayers costs us the value of the land. It also costs us in terms of what that land was producing in the form of income - previously available to support all peoples now available only to Mr. Bells and Mr. Deys ethnic pals. Wise up and find some truth you two.
TREATY SETTLEMENTS ARE COMPENSATION
Posted on 21-07-2013 10:25 | By Peter Dey
Mike von Lande describes Treaty settlements as stolen land. In fact Treaty settlements are compensation for land that was wrongly taken by the Government. Of course Maori earn income from their compensation and taxpayers lose future income, but settlement compensation is only 10% of what was taken and taxpayers were never entitled to that income in the first place. Neither Mike von Lande nor anyone else has shown that Treaty settlements are fraudulent so calling settlements stealing is just ignorance.
Transparent denials
Posted on 21-07-2013 14:01 | By Mike Kuipers von Lande
Mr Dey believes in the old adage that if he repeats something often enough it will become accepted as the truth. There is vast evidence of huge fraud within the Treaty grievance industry and is steadily becoming apparent despite his best efforts at sweeping it under the carpet.
MIKE PROVES HE HAS NO EVIDENCE
Posted on 21-07-2013 20:15 | By Peter Dey
Mike von Lande says there is vast evidence of huge fraud within the Treaty grievance industry. He should therefore be able to quote some of it. The fact that he cannot produce any credible evidence is because there is no credible evidence that Maori are making fraudulent Treaty claims.
punishment
Posted on 21-07-2013 22:32 | By Captain Sensible
When you cede sovereignty to the crown, then take up arms against the crown, and the crown confiscates land as punishment, I am not sure how that becomes a grievance. Remind us again Mr Dey, how the maoris in 1840 happened to be on "their" land at the time.....they murdered and ate the tribe that occupied it before them of course. Why are you so afraid of admitting it?
Tuhoe settlement
Posted on 22-07-2013 17:21 | By crazyhorse
Looking for fraud, how can any one prove it at the moment, Tow settlements don't all have their history scrutinised,may be we can take the Tuhoe settlement as an example, they were in involved in horrific atrocities, harbouring the murdering Tekootis and his Hauhaus, and what about the massacre at Mohaka, please don't tell they were not complesit in the murder of Carl Volkner, and i bet alot of people don't know Tuhoe have had 3 settlements already plus a fisheries pay out of 526 million dollars in 2012, oh and we are looking for fraud are we not, Tuhoe did not sign the TOW, thats (FRAUD)by the waitangi tribunal and the National government. I still have not heard back from any one on the mass burning Maori did in forests in the south island, that MKVL speaks of, any ideas?
STILL NO EVIDENCE OF TREATY CLAIM FRAUD
Posted on 22-07-2013 20:48 | By Peter Dey
Crazyhorse can read a full explanation of the history of injustice against Tuhoe in the book "Encircled Lands" by Judith Binney. The Tuhoe settlement is for land taken and is fully justified by written records. Stories of Te Kooti, the hauhaus, Mohaka, and Volkner are just half-truths that do nothing to undermine the Tuhoe settlement. Tuhoe fully deserved their fisheries settlement. When the Government took away their access to the sea it was total injustice. The fact that Tuhoe did not sign the Treaty does not mean they should not get justice.
PUNISHMENT WITHOUT A FAIR TRIAL IS INJUSTICE
Posted on 22-07-2013 21:07 | By Peter Dey
Captain Sensible is writing half-truth when he describes Maori who fought against the Crown as rebels. Professional historians now recognise that Government injustice contributed to the Land Wars. They also recognise that punishment of innocent people by land confiscation withour fair trial of wrong-doing was clear injustice. Nobody is denying that atrocities occurred between Maori before 1840. But Treaty settlements are about compensation for Government injustice against Maori after 1840.
Half Truths is Rite
Posted on 23-07-2013 11:02 | By crazyhorse
Another revisionist writes a book and that makes it truth, a lot of people swallow that because that's how they want it to be, i wonder what the relatives of all the people murdered with half truths feel.
HALF-TRUTH AND TUHOE
Posted on 23-07-2013 14:54 | By Peter Dey
Crazyhorse describes Judith Binney's book "Encircled Lands" as revisionist, but he cannnot produce any evidence that what she has written is false. Te Kooti committed atrocities and the Government committed atrocities against Te Kooti. Te Kooti was not Tuhoe. The Government committed atrocities against Tuhoe, but Tuhoe committed no atrocities against the Government. Tuhoe had land confiscated for the murder of Carl Volkner, but no Tuhoe were involved. The massacre at Mohaka was followed by an equal massacre of Te Kooti's followers by the Government. Judith Binney is a professional historian who has written accepted truth. Anti-Maori writers are being misinformed with half-truth.
Half truths and Peter Dey
Posted on 23-07-2013 21:55 | By crazyhorse
What i do know is that the history written today does not even resemble the original versions, the writings taken from people that were there, actually involved, facts taken from Maori and Europeans, how is it now, 170 plus years later only the likes of Binney, Orange, Salmon, and Paul Moon can come up with the truth, how do they come up with different versions to the likes of john Robinson, Ian Wishart, and David Round. What i really want to know is what makes you know the truth, you want everyone else to prove their versions, i want you to prove yours,please don't tell me its because your authors have a few initials before their names, what makes them the the demi gods of Newzealand history.
PROFESSIONALS DO NOT WRITE HALF-TRUTH
Posted on 24-07-2013 13:18 | By Peter Dey
Crazyhorse needs to realise that history written today by professional historians is all based on original versions. It is amateur historians like Ian Wishart who select evidence that support their view and ignore evidence that contradicts their view. For example Ian Wishart wrote about pre-Maori settlement in New Zealand and ignored the latest scientific evidence. Professional historians are trained in universities like professional doctors and engineers. What they write has to stand up to the scrutiny of other professional historians. They cannot get away with half-truth. Amateur historians can get away with half-truth because their career is not at risk. Judith Binney wrote the truth about Tuhoe.
STILL NO FACTS
Posted on 24-07-2013 19:17 | By crazyhorse
I will ask you again, what makes the historians you follow better than those against your version of NZ history? there are now as many historians against what you believe as there are for what you believe, all have spent years researching just like Binney and Orange, but, come up with different findings. As far as your historians versions standing up to their peers, i think we are just talking about like minded people. European and maori were there in 1840 they wrote about what really happened and how,and you say now 170 plus years later only your historians know what happened, i say again Dey prove it your just going around in circles, facts or some of this scientific evidence might be a start, proper stuff though not another midden with a few pipi in it.
CAREER HISTORIANS ARE MORE CREDIBLE THAN AMATEURS
Posted on 24-07-2013 21:43 | By Peter Dey
Crazyhorse the people accusing Maori of fraudulent Treaty claims are the ones who need to provide facts. They are making the accusation. I am simply pointing out that they have not yet provided any credible facts. The reason that professional historians are more credible than amateurs like John Robinson, Ian Wishart, and David Round is that the professionals have a reputation and career at stake whenever they write anything. Amateurs can write half-truth and suffer no consequences at all. That is why what Judith Binney wrote about Tuhoe is totally credible.
AMATEUR
Posted on 25-07-2013 10:06 | By YOGI BEAR
Please you put that on the page, we already knew that based upon your writings, bias and incredible ability to pick out the desire bits of information so completely loosing the intended meaning of the writers from all over the place. I would also have to congratulate you on being able to steer through all the facts, evidence, information and scientific proof that places all beyond any remaining question and steadfastly hold on to all that you want to still believe as true, well done.
facts mean nothing here.
Posted on 25-07-2013 11:47 | By crazyhorse
I stated in a previous comment that not all claims have their history looked at so facts don't seem to come into it, i would have thought in a democratic country such as NZ these claims would be gone over with a fine tooth come, been open and transparent but even you can't say that, so whats going on, get us up to speed on this Mr Dey.
STILL NO EVIDENCE OF FRAUDULENT CLAIMS
Posted on 25-07-2013 13:25 | By Peter Dey
Waitangi Tribunal claims are mostly now negotiated with the Office of Treaty settlements. Settlements are confirmed by Parliament and available publicly. Nobody has produced any credible objection to any settlement. Current settlements have taken over 20 years to complete. Going over claims with a tooth comb would take 100 years. The Government wants to complete all remaining settlements within two years. People who complain that the settlement process is not open enough are splitting hairs because they can produce no evidence to show that settlement results are fraudulent.
THATS DANDY THEN
Posted on 25-07-2013 16:15 | By crazyhorse
Waitangi claims are now negotiated by Finlayson, the lawyer who used to proudly say every morning i wonder how much i can screw out of the crown today, how does this man end up doing this job,and you can say with a straight face we should all be happy with that, i say again not all claims have their history looked at so its obvious facts don't have a lot to do with any of this.
Treaty settlements
Posted on 25-07-2013 18:05 | By Peter Dey
The statement by crazyhorse that not all Treaty claims have their history looked at is contradicted by the fact that all Treaty claims are approved by Parliament, and publicly available. If somebody, like crazyhorse, believes that fraudulent claims are being made then they should make public their evidence.
Pete Day
Posted on 26-07-2013 07:18 | By Plonker
Come on Pete, you know a lot better than this, even the battle at Gate Pa has been "butchered" about and some to suit shall we say a bit of "added value" to the grievance industry. There is a lot more to it all as well.
Reasonable Doubt
Posted on 26-07-2013 10:59 | By crazyhorse
Oh parliament approves them, that removes all doubt, and parliament is Key, sharples, Finlayson, and Turia, i rest my case, and while we are here tell me how to go about a complaint if i was not happy with whats going on in the treaty industry, perhaps i could rock up to the Waitangi tribunal and have my case heard, people are sick of this Dey, any poll taken in NZ in the last 5 years shows that, between 75 to 80% in every case be it special seats in government, council, the electoral roll, you bang on about treaty settlements being compensation for past injustices, i wasn't there nor was any one present today, some of these claims have been payed out numerous times already, full and final that means nothing, looking forward is where 85% of NZ is heading,you only see behind you, wish i could send you all back to the good old days in 1840 i really really wish i could!
STILL NO CREDIBLE EVIDENCE OF FRAUD
Posted on 26-07-2013 13:01 | By Peter Dey
Crazyhorse is still writing false information that he is getting from unreliable sources. All Treaty settlements are publicly available. Crazyhorse should search through them or search through "Twisting the Treaty" and try to find some evidence of fraudulent Treaty claims, then write it here for everybody to read. Nobody has yet done this. The reason that taxpayers now are paying Treaty settlements is that the present Government still has billions of dollars of earnings from stolen Maori land.
PLONKER SHOULD READ THE TAURANG-MOANA REPORT
Posted on 26-07-2013 13:09 | By Peter Dey
Plonker thinks that the Tauranga-Moana Waitangi Tribunal report has got it wrong over the battle of Gate Pa. He should provide us with a quotation and point out where he thinks it is wrong. Again he is making an accusation without credible evidence to back it up.
ANTI-MAORI WRITERS ARE LOOKING BACKWARD
Posted on 26-07-2013 13:43 | By Peter Dey
Crazyhorse accuses people of looking backwards, but he does not seem to realise that it is anti-Maori writers, like himself and "Twisting the Treaty" who keep on complaining about false Treaties, fraudulent Treaty claims, the indigenous status of Maori, Treaty settlements being unaffordable, Maori wanting separate development, Maori leaders stealing settlement money, and Maori culture making Pakeha into second class citizens. I am simply pointing out that all of these complaints are made without any credible evidence to support them.
Where do i go
Posted on 26-07-2013 15:54 | By crazyhorse
I will ask again where does a citizen go to question a claim or make a complaint,rang Stevie Chadwick years ago to set up a meeting told her secretary what i wanted to talk about she refused to see me, my own MP!! You say all information regarding claims is open for public inspection, not true! The Waitangi tribunal gives directions to limit public access to the register of information on any claim they want. About a month ago a woman from Queenstown complained about receiving an email from NZ Travel magazine with the geeting Kia ora, now i don't have a problem with that greeting used it my self, Gary Cody editor of said magazine complains to the human rights, then the Herald does not 1 but 3 segments in their paper condemning her,you wonder why people wont get involved or stick up for themselves.
ONLY SERIOUS COMPLAINTS ARE TAKEN SERIOUSLY
Posted on 26-07-2013 16:49 | By Peter Dey
Crazyhorse asks where a citizen goes to question a claim or make a complaint. He can go to any MP, and he has a great deal of choice. If he wants to complain about Treaty settlements then an opposition MP is more likely to pursue the matter. However crazyhorse would have to produce credible evidence to back up his complaint. Up to this point crazyhorse has still not produced any credible evidence in this column of fraudulent Treaty claims.
Allan Susan Titford
Posted on 26-07-2013 20:59 | By crazyhorse
These people lost their land due to gutless government and currupt (part) maori affairs, have you heard of this people Dey, any body else heard of this, no these people couldn't prove a thing. THEY WERE NOT ALLOWED OR GIVEN THE CHANCE!!
Public Scrutiny
Posted on 26-07-2013 21:46 | By crazyhorse
Dey, you said all treaty claims are available to the public to view, yet another untruth,the Waitangi limits access to the register of information on any claim it wants to, why would this be, let me think for awhile maybe it will come to me, anybody else got any ideas.
Crazy Horse?
Posted on 27-07-2013 15:51 | By The Master
Waitangi limits access is not rigght, only the "faithful" are allowed in and that depends on if you are alowed to "file a claim" and you have to be IWI to do that. so the whole thing is against the 1840 treaty as signed and more recently the Human Rights Act.
LITE OF DEY
Posted on 27-07-2013 17:07 | By crazyhorse
None are as blind as those who will not see, i think you and your alter ego Ding Dong have had enough, you have pasted me racist, i have not said anything racist against Maori if you can find it i will apologise, i have attacked government, the waitangi tribunal and maori affairs as well as anybody involved in the treaty industry, calling someone(part) maori is not racist, as i have said we can only go on as one people, the difference between Dey and i is that i want my 2 children to go into a NZ future side by side, hand in hand with their maori brothers a sisters, NOT, on the other side of a fence where they hand things over it for eternity,good luck and good night.
Shake hands and move on!
Posted on 27-07-2013 22:31 | By Murray.Guy
Mr Dey say, "This means that Maori own about 2% of New Zealand's assets. What threat to anybody is that?" To which i say, "I've a big boat but it only takes a small hole to sink it!" Whether a settlement component is in cash or goods, they all all have a 'cash value'. Getting more than a bit tired of all the spin. The sooner both sides except both sides acknowledge they were, and still are, 'less than perfect' (and I'm still waiting to hear that from Mr Dey), we will never move on.
ANTI-MAORI DOES NOT MEAN RACIST
Posted on 28-07-2013 14:55 | By Peter Dey
People who write criticism of Maori actions without any credible evidence in support are anti-Maori. They are not necessarily racist. A racist is someone who thinks that one race is superior or inferior to other races. People who describe Treaty settlements as fraud are anti-Maori because they produce no credible evidence in support. People like crazyhorse and The Master who want access to Treaty claim information are simply revealing that they have no evidence of fraud in the first place.
CHILDREN ARE NOW WALKING SIDE BY SIDE
Posted on 28-07-2013 15:09 | By Peter Dey
Crazyhorse wants Maori and Pakeha children walking side by side into the future and not either side of a fence where they hand things over for eternity. I want exactly the same thing. Pakeha children now are much more comfortable with and less threatened by Maori culture than their parents or grandparents. Pakeha who accept anti-Maori misinformation without credible supporting evidence are our greatest problem. Maori culture is not separatist and poses no threat to Pakeha at all. The Waitangi Tribunal is simply a mechanism to deal with possible Government injustice to Maori.
SERIOUS COMPLAINTS
Posted on 28-07-2013 17:32 | By Plonker
Just because a claim is filed at Waitangi Tribunal does not make it real or serious or genuine or fair, a robust process would ferret out the fake claims and so the end result would be that the genuine ones alone would make it through and be settled fairly. The problem is that I have not seen a "Fair" process so the whole thing is flawed from the start. As they say ... garbage in garbage out ... got it Pete?
RETURNED CROWN LAND COSTS TAXPAYERS NO CASH
Posted on 28-07-2013 20:52 | By Peter Dey
Murray Guy seems to have missed the point. Certainly crown land has a cash value, but when The Crown returns crown land, taxpayers have to pay no cash. This is fact not spin. Murray Guy suggests that Maori owning 2% of New Zealand's assets is like a small hole in a boat. His point is not clear. Anti-Maori writers quote $40 billion of Maori assets as though this is Maori getting undeserved excessive wealth. I am simply pointing out that $40 billion out of $2,000 billion is only 2% and not excessive. If Murray Guy is tired of spin he should have a go at the steady stream of misinformation without credible evidence from anti-Maori writers.
LAND STOLEN FROM THE CROWN COSTS TAXPAYERS
Posted on 29-07-2013 15:25 | By YOGI BEAR
Come on Pete, the statements from you are not right, if it cost nothing then it means nothing to Maori. It is only the fact that land has a cash value that Maori and the treaty industry in Wellington has been created and is self multiplying, none of that could ever have been envisaged. It is completely naïve to say that land has not "value" or no loss to taxpayers as a result. The fact is that Peters spiel is "spin" to try and say otherwise. Maori were lucky if they occupied 0.01% of NZ at anytime and that was all taken by force from Moriori and the other genuine indigenous peoples of NZ that were all here well before Maori were dropped of by General Zheng He around 1400AD all as recorded in writings of that time (PS Peter, Maori have no written records so no evidence at all, there are on 'stories' handed down that no longer related to the reality of what really happened anymore). Simply pointing out that Maori have $40bn of $2,000bn claimed initially only goes to say that "most" of the fake claims got paid fair and square i.e. nothing. shame the lot were not dealt with equally and the same. PS Peter there are no "Anti-Maori" writers, but there are plenty of "Anti-Maori BS writers", there is a big difference I am sure you will get up to speed on that soon enough ... hopes ... There is misinformation Peter also but you will need a mirror to see that, please see the "Goneburger" blog trail as you have reverted back to the start of that saga and clearly forgotten what you said by the end of it.
YOGI BEAR, ZHENG HE IN NEW ZEALAND IS NONSENSE
Posted on 30-07-2013 18:24 | By Peter Dey
As soon as YOGI BEAR writes about Zheng He coming to New Zealand we know he is repeating fictional nonsense. YOGI BEAR is just having fun writing anything that comes into his head. Read the internet article by National Geographic magazine. Zheng He never came to New Zealand.
National Geographic
Posted on 30-07-2013 21:31 | By Plonker
Where Peter? The Nat Geo did not want to acknowledge that the Chines head sailed the world for a few thousand years before, that would be acknowledging that the Chinese were superior to the European and therefore the US in every respect. Of course that hidden agenda challenge is exactly the same there as the Waitangi Industry in the capital where the gravy-train-ites feast. The same issue arises where the truth is forgotten as it would get in the way of the feasting.
Zheng He
Posted on 31-07-2013 13:28 | By YOGI BEAR
He could write, he wrote down in the ships log is findings and that records remains in existence today. Unfortunately for the Maori mob on the claim gravy trail in Wellington that means they can not hide it, destroy it, ban it. It remains, to be read and seen by all, you are a Gonebuger "again" on this one to.
YOGI BEAR CHECK ZHENG HE ON WIKIPEDIA
Posted on 31-07-2013 17:24 | By Peter Dey
YOGI BEAR does not reveal his sources of information, and he rejects credible sources like Wikipedia. Wikipedia has all Zheng He's voyages. Zheng He did not come to New Zealand. All of YOGI BEAR's information is unreliable which is why he does not say where he gets it from. Anti-Maori writers like YOGI BEAR write criticism of things Maori knowing that they have no credible evidence to support their criticism.
PLONKER, TRY CHINACULTURE CHINESE GOVERNMENT WEBSITE
Posted on 31-07-2013 20:05 | By Peter Dey
Plonker and YOGI BEAR should read about Zheng He on the Chinese Government website ChinaCulture. Zheng He never came to New Zealand. People should realise that what YOGI BEAR writes is unreliable. It is storytelling never supported by credible evidence.
Fractions?
Posted on 01-08-2013 03:39 | By Crash test dummies
Come Mr Day, what proven Maori blood do you have? Was it the Chinese or the Spanish that rescued your ancestors adrift and all at sea ????????
YOGI BEAR DOES NOT UNDERSTAND ASSETS
Posted on 01-08-2013 11:09 | By Peter Dey
YOGI BEAR thinks that assets are what Maori have claimed in Treaty claims. Maori assets are the total possessions of Maori. People who say that total Maori assets now add up to $40 billion are suggesting that this is a huge amount, and that Maori must be ripping off everybody else. However the total value of assets owned by all New Zealanders is about $2,000 billion. This has nothing to do with the total of Maori treaty claims. The $40 billion that Maori own is only 2% of what everybody owns so it is not huge at all.
Dey Light
Posted on 01-08-2013 14:46 | By YOGI BEAR
is sorely needed here, Peter can you please return you self to Tauranga, not just copy the usual rubbish ex the Wellington Treatyites that can not see past the pre-school language nest teachings.
True claims?
Posted on 01-08-2013 16:07 | By YOGI BEAR
No issue with "real" claims such as Wigram Airbase taken in WW2, it should have been returned. The rest are marginal and some ...
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Posted on 01-08-2013 16:16 | By YOGI BEAR
Now you see it now you don't ... it is a "Goneburger" mate! I think you will find that I very much understand the idea, concept, features and facts of it. It is clear you do not.
MORE NONSENSE FROM YOGI BEAR
Posted on 02-08-2013 16:36 | By Peter Dey
YOGI BEAR can write nonsense because he does not reveal his real name. He does not understand the difference between assets and spending. He keeps making up fictional nonsense about the radiocarbon evidence that shows Maori were the first settlers in New Zealand. He believes that Zheng He came from China to New Zealand, even though the Chinese Government website, ChinaCulture, has no record of it. He produces a steady stream of fantasy based on no solid evidence at all.
Chinese records
Posted on 11-08-2013 11:25 | By Plonker
But Peter there is a record of the travels of Zheng He to NZ, it is written down and recorded. In fact the Chinese have records of their travels all over the world going back about 1500 years before Marco Polo wandered to China and back.
THERE ARE NO RECORDS OF CHINESE WORLDWIDE TRAVEL
Posted on 12-08-2013 17:18 | By Peter Dey
Plonker needs to check the Chinese Government website, ChinaCulture. The Chinese have no record of Zheng He coming to New Zealand, and they have a Zheng He Society to honour him.
NONSENSE FROM PETER ex WELLINGTON?
Posted on 13-08-2013 10:04 | By YOGI BEAR
When you have nothing to left to say that is right then you try to attack the writer, not a good look at all ... Peter. Talk about the issue or concede that you are wrong, that is all that is required here.
CREDIBLE EVIDENCE SHOWS THAT YOGI BEAR IS WRONG
Posted on 13-08-2013 21:06 | By Peter Dey
YOGI BEAR never provides credible evidence in support of his claims. He does not accept the scientific evidence that shows that Maori were the first settlers in New Zealand, but he produces no other credible evidence to support his view. He does not accept the evidence of the Chinese Government that Zheng He never came to New Zealand, but he produces no other credible evidence to support his view. He says that Maori have made $40 billion of Treaty claims, but provides no evidence to support his view. The Office of Treaty Settlements says claims total about $2 billion.
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