Separatism accusation doesn’t make sense

The almost never-ending description of Maori progress as separatism is embarrassing. The accusation of separatism does not make sense. People are completely misusing the word separatism.

Maori separatism would be the Maori community wanting their own district council and running their own affairs with their own funding. Nobody is asking for that. Laws, regulations, and policies based on ethnicity are not separatism.

The Treaty of Waitangi is based on ethnicity but it is integration not separatism. We have been a bicultural community with different cultures operating in parallel for many years.

In our local community Maori language and culture co-exist peacefully with non-Maori language and culture, each with their own separate identity. 

There are separate Maori schools, sports clubs, and marae that have their own separate identities, but they also join in activities with the wider community. This is integration not separatism. It does not divide us. It enriches us.

Similarly Maori electoral wards would be integration not separatism, and the suggestion that Maori ward councillors would only promote Maori interests is arrogant nonsense.

P Dey, Welcome Bay.


River “co-governance”

Posted on 06-03-2018 17:58 | By crazyhorse

Tribal claims for 50:50 go-governance as a treaty right are loud and clear but few are aware of the river of cash this entails. In 2009, Waikato-Tainui signed an agreement over the tribes Waikato River raupatu claim. The Crown agreed to pay immediate redress of $70-million plus an additional $30-million for co-management funding (separate from an additional $21-million plus $7-million annually for 27 years paid to the Waikato River Clean-up Trust (for the actual clean-up). The $30-million co-management fee was agreed as $3-million settlement with a further $1-million annually for 27 years. Similar co-governance deals were signed with four other tribes for the Waikato River -- Te Arawa, Ngati Raukawa, Ngati Tuwharetoa and Maniapoto with the total amount of cash involved being $400.8-million just for the Waikato River. These agreements became blueprints for other tribes on other rivers.


Posted on 06-03-2018 12:58 | By crazyhorse

Does it mention partnership, in 1840 the Poms were never going to go into partnership with stone age cannibals?, lucky for maori they gave them the same rights of British subjects, the French would not have been so generous.

Crazyhorse, Treaty partnership is co-governance

Posted on 06-03-2018 09:49 | By Peter Dey

Co-governance is simply Treaty partnership applied. It is not self governance. It is not separatism. It poses no threat to Pakeha. Your opposition to co-governance is irrational. We are a nation of two cultures integrated through the Treaty. Maori separatism does not exist. You can provide no evidence for it.

Crazyhorse, Maori do not want self rule = no separatism

Posted on 06-03-2018 08:53 | By Peter Dey

Crazyhorse, explain what separatism is. If it is only self rule then, as stated in the letter above, separatism is a fiction just used as a meaningless term of abuse.


Posted on 06-03-2018 07:32 | By crazyhorse

Another great example of the damage done by the Ngai Tahu mole Finlayson when he was in government with national was to open up our entire coastline, beaches to maori ownership, oops sorry co-governance, read about these claims and learn how to voice your opinion.

Rangatiratanga, SELF RULE = SEPARATISM

Posted on 06-03-2018 07:12 | By crazyhorse

All this mindless dribble by the apologists about there being ’no" separatism in NZ or maori are not looking towards separatism is easily debunked, the constant talk of "rangatiratanga" especially after the race-based waitangi tribunal decided maori never ceded sovereignty to the crown after"honest"hugh kawharu came up with his own version of the TOW while he was a member and claimant on the tribunal, maori want separatism, they embrace it, self-governance, self-rule a separate system from "us", well they already have in health, education and hundreds of maori only policies, but according to the apologists thats not separatism, what is then?.


Posted on 05-03-2018 17:36 | By crazyhorse

In May 1995 the Crown signed a Deed of Settlement with Waikato-Tainui that included cash and land valued at $170 million (since topped up with an additional $260 million, with more to come). The public was told at the time the settlement was "full and final". However, full and final it does not appear to be as the iwi moves beyond negotiating for economic benefits to pushing for statutory power through co-governance arrangements, seats at the council table, and the RMA.In 2010 a deal was struck with Waikato-Tainui for the co-governance of the Waikato River. But wait, theres more - recently the tribe announced it is now pushing for their next stage of Treaty settlements, which includes seeking co-governance of the Kawhia, Aotea, Whaingaroa and Manukau Harbours, and subsidiary interests in Auckland region

5 out of 5 shows a flaw in democracy??

Posted on 05-03-2018 17:28 | By crazyhorse

Dey Says democracy respects minorities, what he actually means is that here in NZ it’s only what maori want that matters, we have proven in countless posts that separatism is fine if it is maori who carry it out, Councillors are elected to provide clean drinking water, to manage roads, sewage, drainage, libraries, sports facilities and cultural centres, all of which are for the benefit of everyone.We dont need Maori wards for that, councils are not there to push a racial agenda or hand over natural resources to iwi elite.water belongs to everyone and water seems to be the 1st thing our new unelected maori councillors or board members want to own, sorry co-govern, na I meant own!, people can read these threads and decide for themselves, just as they can vote for who they like and sign a petition about something they are unhappy about, that’s democrac

Where is the racial segregation,

Posted on 05-03-2018 17:00 | By R. Bell

in the inclusion of Maori representation? Crazyhorse makes statements, that make no sense at all. That he takes comfort from the historical abuse of Maori political and economic rights, speaks volumes on the lack of goodwill shown by his generation. Time after time we have shown these abuses, yet like many he is unaware of the truth. Shame on that fact. Robin Bell.

Crazyhorse, your 5 out of 5 shows a flaw in democracy

Posted on 05-03-2018 16:35 | By Peter Dey

Crazyhorse, democracy that shuts out minorities is flawed. That is why New Zealand adopted the MMP system for parliamentary elections in 1996. Maori wards achieve the same fairness for the Maori community that MMP has achieved. Allowing the Pakeha majority to shut out the Maori minority is flawed democracy. Why be a bully when you do not have to be one Crazyhorse?

Crazyhorse, democracy respects minorities

Posted on 05-03-2018 16:13 | By Peter Dey

Crazyhorse, the basis of democracy is that every citizen is fairly represented. At present in the Western Bay the Maori community is not represented because the electoral system is biased in favour of Pakeha candidates. So the representation we have at present is undemocratic not democratic as you claim.

crazyhorse, your separatism is fiction

Posted on 05-03-2018 16:07 | By Peter Dey

crazyhorse, you still have not produced any credible reason to describe Maori wards as separatism. The two electoral rolls that we have, the general roll and the Maori roll, are not separatism, so voting from these two rolls can not be separatism. You misuse the word separatism because you do not have a credible argument.


Posted on 05-03-2018 14:47 | By crazyhorse

Petitions in Palmerston North, Kaikoura, Manawatu, Western Bay of Plenty, and Whakatane have been validated, a law that allows people to have a democratic say cannot be racist,no central or local government body should be able to create racial segregation without a vote confirming that it is the will of their community, now the ratepayers of these provinces will have the democratic right to have their say, we all know what the vote will come back as and the separatist mayors and their minions will be out on the street come next council election, why?, because next time around anyone standing for council will have to answer the question, where do they stand on maori wards, unelected seats on council, welcome back democracy, nice to see you again, racism and separatism is the norm in NZ now for maori who practise it,

MISS ADVENTURE, the Treaty was written in te reo in1840

Posted on 05-03-2018 10:45 | By Peter Dey

Te reo Maori has been in New Zealand since Maori arrived in 1250AD. Separatism is a fiction that you have produced no evidence to refute.

crazyhorse, all fiction

Posted on 05-03-2018 10:42 | By Peter Dey

The letter above explains why separatism is fiction. You have produced nothing to refute that. You can also produce nothing to support claims of aristocracy and apartheid. They are also fiction used to make false accusations.

Where do they get it from,

Posted on 04-03-2018 17:12 | By R. Bell

well we all know the answer to that.Crazy horse complains of Maori ’wish lists", like no one else has them. Missy complains that the Maori language is only " 30-40yrs old" Fear of "radicals" is unfounded, blatant scaremongering, with no factual base. Maori are fighting for their very existance and legitimate place in the decision making of N.Z. The days of total submission are over. N. Z. IS A BETTER PLACE FOR IT. Sadly not for missy and crazy. Compromise is now the name of the game, something the extreme right wing radicals of N.Z C.P.R. and THE ONE N.Z Foundation and Hobsons Wedge fail to understand. Robin Bell.


Posted on 04-03-2018 11:58 | By crazyhorse

Koha train derailed by "Democracy Action", if not for this group fighting for the rights of all Aucklander’s the cost of building or alterations in this city would be "sky high" A great example of what unelected treaty troughers do when "gifted seats" on council,When this board first came about they submitted a $295 million wish list with 49 goals that included the compulsory teaching of Maori in all Auckland schools, a naming protocol in Maori, financial literacy programmes to promote Maori engagement in trade delegations, foreign direct investment, innovation and export. By early 2013, the Proposed Auckland Unitary Plan included over 3600 scheduled sites of value to mana whenua, most of them unproven, assessment was required for any improvements involving earthworks on or within 50 metres of one of these alleged sites of value, now this is how having undemocratic seats on council "helps" us all".


Posted on 04-03-2018 11:36 | By crazyhorse

Wards and councillors on the basis of ones ancestry, lets call it for what it is, a race-based representation which has no place in any modern democracy, here we go again, the creation of yet more places at the trough for people whose only merit is a percentage of blood they call Maori. Why are National and Labour supporting the introduction of an aristocracy into New Zealand?

culture co-exist peacefully?

Posted on 03-03-2018 21:41 | By MISS ADVENTURE

A very strange commentary, yet another oddity with is the above, this comment would be true if not for three huge and fundamental issues:- First, terepo isnt a ’real’ language, it was created just last 30-40 years to re-write the meanings/words/intent to assist with the Waitangi-Tribunal creations tabled behind closed doors. Second, the apparent nefarious intentions of some radicals is to try and make part maori terepo compulsory in schools, that it is no use whatsoever seems to have been completely overlooked, just another case of turning a blind eye to the facts/obvious. Third-The logical and obvious facts and evidence placed just on this site illustrate that all is far from "peaceful" out there, especially when separatism, preference and so on is the name of the game and a self decided idea that its somehow "right"? All the above makes your commentaries unbelievable, indeed well into facial relm.

Great letter Peter, but

Posted on 03-03-2018 12:20 | By R. Bell

the usual response.Those who oppose your accurate descriptions simply refuse to educate themselves.Miss adventure being a case in point. His deliberate misrepresentations long ago became irrelevant. He seems oblivious to the development taking place in our society, clinging instead to the impossible dream of distortion and lies.Without his "Alternative truth’ mentors he is lost. Robin Bell.

MISS ADVENTURE, only Maori signed the Treaty

Posted on 03-03-2018 12:15 | By Peter Dey

MISS ADVENTURE, only Maori can make Treaty claims because the Treaty was an agreement with Maori and nobody else, and injustice to Maori is the basis of Treaty claims.

MISS ADVENTURE, tribes not individuals

Posted on 03-03-2018 10:44 | By Peter Dey

MISS ADVENTURE, Maori tribes not individuals make claims. Tribes can distribute benefits however they choose. Individuals with dual ancestry are not making claims.

@ peter

Posted on 02-03-2018 21:53 | By MISS ADVENTURE

You say "Treaty of Waitangi is based on ethnicity but it is integration not separatism", if that is so then why is it that only part maori can make a claim for wrongs apparently done according to scripted myths and legends that even Robin, your maty-mate say are 100% wrong. So that would mean its more separate than intergrated wouldn’t it?

Doesnt make sense?

Posted on 02-03-2018 18:49 | By MISS ADVENTURE

That is easily answered, you views and entenched obsessive disorder with a desired answer is the obstacle you face. facts and reality simply get in the way of that. You have a long road to travel to reach and then understand the truth of it all, I know you can do it, but make no mistake it will take you especially a long time.... a very long time. Until then we sadly can expect no improvemetn in teh level of commentary from your quarter. My your travels be faster than we could wish for, may your enlightenment be rapid and bring you out of the darkness rapidly. We will all benefit from the light you then find.

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