Representation, not handouts

The reasons given by Mike Lally (The Weekend Sun, December 1) for voting against Maori electoral wards for the Western Bay council do not seem to be based on hard evidence. The only hard evidence we have is that nationwide the percentage of Maori councillors is about one third of the percentage of Maori voters and that Maori have been treated unfairly in the past. The evidence for this being the $3 billion in justified treaty settlements paid out to Maori, which is only about 10 per cent compensation which Maori have never moaned about. Mike seems to feel that Maori are not worthy of being represented by him, in which case he should support Maori wards and then he would not have to represent the Maori community which he does not seem to want to do anyway. The request for Maori wards is only a request for fair representation, not a request for handouts. It provides no extra political control to Maori and takes away no political control from non-Maori, and has negligible cost.

P Dey, Welcome Bay.



Posted on 19-12-2017 19:52 | By crazyhorse

The Whakatohea Maori Trust Board own the Commercial mussel farming that I think you're talking about, whats this got to do with "giving" maori seats on the council?, to further their business ventures bypass the consent process, what is it you are trying to say.


Posted on 19-12-2017 12:36 | By waxing

Knowledge comes from research. It would be nice if you did some. But to help you - take a look at the aquaculture project in Eastern Bay of Plenty and its potential for economic prosperity.

how well Maori wards have worked

Posted on 15-12-2017 21:10 | By crazyhorse

Waxo's Example, Eastern Bay of Plenty regional council, tell us how this is working, give us an example, I don't mean meal tickets to IWI,I mean an example showing how it has helped the whole community, all ratepayers.


Posted on 15-12-2017 21:02 | By crazyhorse

That's all I'm asking, put it out to local maori, like it or not we are going to have a poll on this and it will come back between 70 to 80% against separatist seats on the council, wana have a bet Waxo?. and why do maori need a seats "GIVEN: to them, you explain why maori, sorry very part maori are completely different to the other 85% of the population, Lol, most are whiter than I am, part maori will take everything, except """responsibility"" for anything and I mean anything, smoking, being fat, not being able to speak maori, your fault, not mine don't blame me I have no time for losers and bludgers.

Eastern example

Posted on 15-12-2017 14:08 | By waxing

When did you ever get to speak on behalf of Maori crazyhorse? And where did you get your evidence to claim what Maori does not want? Perhaps you should look at the Eastern Bay of Plenty and see how well Maori wards have worked for their regional council.

Wise words from Fiona Mackenzie

Posted on 15-12-2017 07:06 | By crazyhorse

With recent claims of Maori ownership of water, wind and the digital spectrum - combined with the concerning prospect of a new, race-based constitution being developed for our country - I am left pondering: Who are these Maori? Who are these people who want to separate themselves from other New Zealanders while thinking they are entitled to take more than their fair portion of the public pie?I look around at those I share my life within our families, our neighbourhoods, at the shops, in school, at the gym, wherever and cant imagine how these separatist policies are supposed to work at street level.


Posted on 13-12-2017 08:07 | By crazyhorse

The Western Bay has a huge population of maori, why do these people "not" seek the mandate of local maori?, why do they not put up representatives pushing maori views? like the maori party, did maori want them?, no, the average maori person does not want separatism or separatist policies only the treaty troughers and their "Klingons" who seek the power and wealth off the ratepayer taxpayer want separatism, remember grievance industry, not grievance process!.

At last some sense

Posted on 10-12-2017 14:58 | By waxing

Well done P Dey. You have at last brought some rational thinking into the debate. It will be very difficult for anyone so emotionally biased to rationally respond to your points. Let's see their efforts.

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