Bikers protest at toll fees

One group of road users not looking forward to the new tolls on Route K and the Tauranga Eastern Link are motorcyclists, who will be asked to pay the same toll fees as cars.

While they will be paying $2 per trip on the TEL when it opens to traffic next month, the Route K toll of $1.80 comes after years of free rides.


Local motorcyclists are unhappy at the new toll fees. Photo: Cameron Avery.

Under Tauranga City Council ownership, moped motorcycles and car trailers were free. But motorcycles will pay the same as cars when the NZTA takes over ownership on July 30.

'It's like charging everybody in a car the same amount as trucks,” says motorcyclist Ryan Carmichael.

'In a car, you can take four or five people. But for 90 per cent of bikes its one person, or two. It's a lot less weight, so that's what a lot of people are kicking up a fuss about.

'They have gone and made cycle tracks for cyclists. There is a lot of council dollars tied into that and nobody on a push bike has to pay for the usage of those tracks, which have to constantly be maintained and upheld.”

The tolls on local riders come after a massive drop in ACC levies on car registrations, which does not apply to motorcycles, which is adding to the motorcyclists' displeasure.

Motorbikes over 601cc are paying more than $500 a year in registration, and as most motorbike riders also run a car, the registration fees soon mount up.

'I would hate to think how many bikes out there have no rego or have rego on hold simply because of the $500 a year to do the rego on a motorbike,” says Ryan, who is also an administrator on the Tauranga Riders' Facebook page.

He says the single vehicle crash figures that ACC bases the accident levies upon are artificially inflated, with the inclusion of off-road dirt bike accidents.

However, ACC says this is not the case.

The levies motorcyclists pay cover accidents that involve motorcycles on public roads. They do not pay for off-road motorcycles. Motorcyclists injuries cost $104 million per year, with $44 million of that being single vehicle accidents, and $60 million involving other vehicles.

Motorcyclists are actually cross-subsidised by other users. ACC says if the true cost of motorcycle injuries was reflected in motorcycle levies, then owning a motorcycle may become prohibitively expensive.

For example, the 2015/16 levy for a motorcycle (over 600cc) is $427. If the licence fee is based on actual past claims experience, then the 2015/16 levy would be $1881.

Although motorcycles only make up less than three per cent of the total number of motor vehicles on the road, crash statistics from the Ministry of Transport show that motorcyclists are 22 times more likely to be killed or severely injured in a crash than a person driving a car.

Motorcyclists account for 20 per cent of the Motor Vehicle Account's severe injuries.

A statement from the New Zealand Transport Agency says the level of toll is primarily based on the value of the time saved by using the road. The reason NZTA charges more for heavy vehicles is because the value of time saved is greater for commercial vehicles.

'Motorcyclists get the same benefits as other road users who are required to pay for their journeys on toll roads,” says a spokesperson. 'We believe it is fair that they are charged.”

'Like other roads users, motorcyclists also have the choice of using free alternative routes if they do not want to pay a toll.

'Tolling allows roads such as Route K and the Tauranga Eastern Link to be built several years earlier than planned and the tolls are used to repay the debt incurred for that construction.”

The ongoing costs of operating and maintaining the road are not met by tolls. Motorcycles' lesser degree of wear and tear, congestion and environmental impact do not contribute to the calculation of tolls or who should pay.

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66 comments

Motorbikes

Posted on 14-07-2015 17:33 | By Ness

I think we pay our share of Rego to be on the roads , now we are compared to cars oh but only when it suits, and yet again cyclists get a free ride on the back of others , they have their own line and no road user and free tolls and before you anti bikers say it they cost as much if not more in ACC.


Really...

Posted on 14-07-2015 17:57 | By porky

suck it up and pay like the rest of us. Or just don't use the road!!


porky...

Posted on 14-07-2015 18:41 | By groutby

..you are are wrong. Once again we hear the same drivel from the Gov'ment departments,that motorcyclists are bad, bad people and cost us lots of money. In some cases, yes I agree, and yet in many cases "other vehicle" drivers do stupid things and are rewarded by lower registration fees based on dodgy ACC statistics. I'm not exactly sure why the "ACC" (who said this, give us a name please?) are referring to ACC levies, as this article is about the tolling charge of the new and existing toll roads. Goes to show, an absolute fixation of the hatred toward motorcyclists by moronic government employees who will only venture out in an air conditioned cages looking for a motorcyclist to "not see"...the true facts and statistics by people of intelligence will be interesting to see...one day.


Bikes

Posted on 14-07-2015 19:13 | By NZgirl

are a danger on our roads reason bike ACC is so much on the rego


Tolls

Posted on 14-07-2015 19:18 | By swt3

Quote: Ministry of Transport show that motorcyclists are 22 times more likely to be killed or severely injured in a crash than a person driving a car. Unquote: This maybe true, however, how many car drivers cause the accidents to motorcyclist. U turns, pulling out at round abouts, running red lights, 'oh sorry, I didn't see you". Look, before you go! I won't be using any of the toll roads, & if I had to, then you would be waiting while I stop, take gloves off, find wallet, get money out, pay fee, put wallet away, put gloves on, then proceed. Try waiting behind us & see how long your patience lasts. We don't exactly have a 'dash' to put our coins in.


Getalife

Posted on 14-07-2015 19:37 | By Getalife

Agree with REALLY , get a life and pay like the rest of us . Plus look carefully at the stats, on ACC etc .


porky

Posted on 14-07-2015 19:55 | By whatsinaname

I agree. They use the road like cars. Dont have to use that road


Discrimination

Posted on 14-07-2015 20:12 | By TGA_BIKER

Its funny how Acc say motorcycle accidents costs 104mill a year, 44mill of that being single vehicle accidents (a big chunk of that probably due to the sh*t conditions the roads are kept in...) and 60mill involving other vehicles (most of that probably due to the f**kwits in cages/cars who cant open there eyes), Discrimination at its best!


ARROGANCE AND IGNORANT SODS REWARDED

Posted on 14-07-2015 21:03 | By ROCCO

Don't know about motorcyclists but have had 10years free so fair enough pay something now perhaps $1 would be fair.I am however incensed that those arrogant bloody cyclists get away scot free yet again. Moan the most want everything laid on and pay for nothing.Make them register their damn cycles and get certificates of fitness too + plus bells.


Got the motorbikes

Posted on 14-07-2015 22:53 | By YOGI BEAR

Next just need a toll on the cycle lanes so they pay something (don't pay registration or anything else) then the game is getting a little nearer to fair.


ACC

Posted on 15-07-2015 06:46 | By Groj

Interesting comment regards the offroad part. Especially when those stats are reported as a single figure, yet cyclists and Mountain Biking are separated in the reporting. Also what is not noted here is the "at fault" part. Research out of England has shown that most Motorcycle accidents in the UK where a rider was injured was a car drivers fault. Perhaps it is time that every rider injured by a car driver sues them for the ACC increase in costs?


Oh, if only the blind could see!

Posted on 15-07-2015 08:54 | By SonnyJim

Can not the motorcyclists see that they are the greatest beneficiaries on the new motorway? When their "I-must-be-in-front" gene kicks in they will be off the motorway well before the first car they whiz past. If out for a nice drive I recommend a free bypass road through Te Puke where there are coffee and pie shops galore. For myself, I like my old low-kms car on which I must pay full ACC fees. We all have to suck on a cold sav at times, so as has been said, "suck-it-up"!


PEDDLE BIKES

Posted on 15-07-2015 09:11 | By Watcher 1

If I understand correctly,Cyclists will NOT be allowed on or to use the NEW Eastern Link Domain to Paengaroa Road at all. I note a cycle route though allows cyclists to use the New Kaituna Bridge cycle track but once over that they go back onto the newly formed cycle track which will be great for cyclists.


NZgirl

Posted on 15-07-2015 09:38 | By kurgan

Cars are a danger on our roads thats the reason ACC levies are high because most motorcycle crashes are caused by ignorant unskilled opinionated idiot car drivers


seesee

Posted on 15-07-2015 10:57 | By SeeSee

Paying a toll for using these toll roads is completely voluntary. If you don't like it, don't pay it, just go the other way around to get to where you want to go. So, is not that easy, why all the grumping and complaing that is going on.


User pays, fair enough

Posted on 15-07-2015 11:11 | By NR

At the end of the day user pays and fair enough. You might gripe about cyclists not having to pay ACC. Fair enough too. Both a cyclist & motorcyclist have the ability to ride into the path of a car or truck. But, a cyclist can


Same

Posted on 15-07-2015 12:08 | By Kenworthlogger

My logging truck only takes 1 maybe 2 people just like a bike. Can i only pay the same fee as a biker lol?


User pays, tolling BS!

Posted on 15-07-2015 12:46 | By Murray.Guy

There is absolutely NOTHING fair about applying a 'user pays/tolling' philosophy to any NZ road. All motorised road users & ratepayers are paying through various taxes, fees, charges, road users, etc for our nations roading infrastructure. Tolling is 'double dipping'. Every vehicle that uses a toll road frees up space on alternatives routes, improves safety, reduces maintenance and enhancement costs - which clearly means, all road users benefit. Why should a user of Route K pay twice so that Cambridge and Cameron Rd users should benefit? The moment tolling is chosen as a means to pay for a new road, it is the tolling of it that designs it, and a region is unable to ensure best outcomes from the road. Imagine for a moment Route K with no tolls and more on /off opportunities, the benefits we would all enjoy.


well put

Posted on 15-07-2015 14:01 | By kurgan

Murray Guy


bikers

Posted on 15-07-2015 14:04 | By luka dog

so they should bikers think they own the roads anyway should be 5$ for the speed they ride at


unfair all round

Posted on 15-07-2015 14:18 | By Kaimai

I've got 2 vehicles and a motorcycle but can only use one at a time, yet I have to pay rego and ACC on all three


@kurgen

Posted on 15-07-2015 14:45 | By maildrop

most motorcycle crashes are caused by motorcyclists driving too fast. End of story. Everybody knows it. More often than not they wind up dead so who are the idiots?


@maildrop

Posted on 15-07-2015 15:22 | By kurgan

your assumption that most motorcycle crashes are caused by going to fast don't match the MOT stats. Multi vehicle, motorcyclist primary responsibility, 22% Single vehicle, motorcyclist at fault, 33% Multi vehicle, motorcyclist some responsibility, 8% Multi vehicle, no motorcyclist fault identified, 36% Single vehicle, no motorcyclist fault identified, 1% . crappy road surfaces have a role to play as well


@ kurgan

Posted on 15-07-2015 17:18 | By luka dog

great statistics kurgan but tell me why is it that every motorbike with lots of power tailgates so close that they are nearly joined to the rear bumper and cant wait to pass you? the only riders on the road with respect are the grey nomads in their hi viz on their yamaharley the rest of the wana be gangsta bikeys are careless on the roads and need to take care ! bikes can creap up too fast too often full stop


Murray.Guy

Posted on 15-07-2015 17:28 | By How about this view!

Not sure that I agree with you at all here. Until such time as the tolls are removed (as they were on the harbour bridge) It is my understanding that the toll roads are a short cut and as such, if you wish to use it, you WILL pay towards the costs of construction, particularly as there are alternative routes that will cost you more in time and fuel. SO route K sits nicely with me and conforms with my philosophy of....... USER PAYS


Cameron Rd upgrade costs

Posted on 15-07-2015 18:54 | By Murray.Guy

We have been reading of planned extensive upgrades of major intersections on Cameron Rd (more traffic lights) and other main arterial roads to improve flow and safety, to cope with growth. These come with multi-million dollar price tags. Clearly to reduce the flow on these city roads with greater use of Route K (still only at the 1/2 of it's projected use in 2003) would have us all benefiting. Can 'how about this view' explain to me why it is just Tauranga city that is burdened with tolls? Why not the $1.5 billion spend in the Waikato? My philosophy - Those who benefit should do the paying, and that is all of us!


Once again I ask.....

Posted on 15-07-2015 20:40 | By groutby

Please read this bit....why has the article taken a direction in regard to ACC levies and the like, and whether or not the "typical" motorcyclists claim more or less in regard to accident "issues"..the write up is about the TOLL ROAD CHARGES..!!..get off your high horses, read the article and comment as such.Again it seems to be about the somewhat "bizarre" comment made by a nameless ACC cretin and sadly printed by this publication...concentrate!.."BIKERS PROTEST TOLL ROAD FEES" is the topic..get it?


wow Luka Dog

Posted on 15-07-2015 20:44 | By kurgan

that's quite a generalisation or do you monitor every motorcyclist and gather your own stats?


Now you're just being silly Mr Guy

Posted on 15-07-2015 21:36 | By How about this view!

How are ratepayers benefiting if your comment "still only at the 1/2 of it's projected use in 2003" is factual? Maybe you forget YOUR time on the public teat and your attitude that ALL will benefit from public works. Just NOT TRUE is it? But then maybe you think that we should have rates bills in line with Auckland, who don't have toll roads? The Northern Gateway Toll road obviously doesn't count?


Kurgan

Posted on 16-07-2015 23:05 | By Kenworthlogger

See the fatal bike crash on tues in the Waikato. Police said the biker crossed the centreline and hit a truck head on..


Kenworthlogger..and your point is?

Posted on 17-07-2015 19:06 | By groutby

Apart from the article not being about road safety and motorcycles specifically,if you have considered this carefully, you will have seen no less than five articles in regard to "non-motorcycle" related crashes in the "most viewed"column of this fine publication..we can all "point the finger" at the cause of individual incidents (the one you refer to not "officially" confirmed...condolences to the family), so hastily judged comments such as yours are not at all helpful, let alone accurate.Also, in regard to the incident you refer to, the other driver will have an accurate picture of what happened, the Police however need to be sure this is correct I am sure, and without motorcycling knowledge could make it more difficult for them.


Kurgan

Posted on 17-07-2015 20:08 | By Kenworthlogger

I have just told you what the Police said. Not me.


Mr

Posted on 18-07-2015 14:46 | By jason 2

I understand that about 60 percent of motorcycle accidents are t he fault of car or truck drivers.Do the authorities look at these figures? Also why not pay the fees when getting petrol As you only use one vehicle at a time anyway . Jason middleton


@nz girl

Posted on 18-07-2015 17:43 | By swt3

Bikes are NOT a danger on our roads. You just need to take a look at WHO causes most of the accidents when CAR versus BIKE. Oh, thats right', "I didn't see you there". Get real. You are probably one of those, & saying it while talking on the phone, or drinking your damn coffee. I had this fine example said to a friend the other day. They were going on the bike, but opted for the car. Got rammed up the rear, driver says blatantly, Sorry, I didn't see you, I was talking on my phone. Then preceded to take off around the corner & never to be seen again. That could of been a bike rider. Then who needs to pay more ACC.


swt3

Posted on 19-07-2015 15:07 | By YOGI BEAR

naturally bikers are more at risk than a car driver. The biker is injured and more likely to be so in an accident, it is how it is. But really the costs to put the biker back together again should be attributed on a "fault" basis by ACC, that then means the ACC costs would be paid by those responsible, car drivers. The same could also apply to the Rena, part Maori lay claim to the reef and the fish, they should then pay for the removal as it is there fault that it is all there and the Rena hit it. Same logic isn't it?


Swt3

Posted on 19-07-2015 15:48 | By Kenworthlogger

There are not going to be any toll booths on the road so you will be able to blat thru at whatever speed you normally travel at on your bike.


Anti Motorcyclists

Posted on 19-07-2015 18:34 | By Feruno

I have 2 bikes , BOTH with rego on hold in opposition to a discriminatory system which is anti motorcyclist . We have to contend with poorly maintained roads full of potholes and revenue gathering units all over the place , excessive regos with the $30 theft on top . I am surprised ACC have the gumption to publish statistics after the number of "blues" they have been caught out with , but as the one person pointed out , most accidents are caused by poorly skilled motorists . EDUCATE THEM , and take down those SILLY "signs" aimed at motorcyclists.


Kenworthlogger

Posted on 20-07-2015 00:31 | By YOGI BEAR

Agree with you but the simple thing is that they just don't want to pay anything at all, they want it all fro free and someone, anyone else pays.


Kenworthlogger.

Posted on 20-07-2015 15:30 | By robin bell

It is estimated that heavy vehicles,like logging trucks are roughly equivalent to 40 cars, in the damage they do.Are you therefore prepared to pay 40 times the R.U.C.??? Just asking kenny mate.Robin Bell.


YOGIBEAR/Feruno

Posted on 20-07-2015 15:45 | By swt3

I totally agree Feruno. I too, have 2 motorcycles. I reg them fully each year. I'm being charges twice for ACC fees, just like you, & can only ride one bike at a time. YogiBear, person at fault shoule certainly take responsibility for their OWN actions. Person at fault needs to pay more ACC levies, just like stupid insur prems. Person at fault should have their prems increased, NOT others that don't have accidents. Its also clear, EDUCATING the driver or rider is something that needs to be focused on. The RENA, that is a 'natural' reef there. Yes, owners of the said Rena should pay. Again, take responsibility for your actions, if not driving, riding, sailing responsibly, then you PAY. Tolls, I won't be using this route. User pays, put it on Petrol. Can only ride 1 at a time.


Robin

Posted on 20-07-2015 17:38 | By Kenworthlogger

Logging trucks dont do damage mate!


trucks

Posted on 20-07-2015 22:09 | By luka dog

if anyone is to go through free it should be all trucks and trailers they pay enough as it is on road users !opening the road and letting logging trucks go through for free is going to help all road users on the roads !! remember if trucks stop so does new zealand ! how do you think all these keyboard warriors get there computers etc to do what your doing


Kenworthlogger

Posted on 21-07-2015 09:01 | By robin bell

Now I know your a dreamer kenny. Your mate, Robin Bell.


luka dog

Posted on 21-07-2015 11:13 | By YOGI BEAR

Yes you are right, about 50% of the total freight costs go in tax, with GST, tax, RUC, PAYE and more.


robin bell

Posted on 21-07-2015 11:16 | By YOGI BEAR

Roads would only need to be a metal road for trucks only, they don't need more than that, cars like, multi lanes, wide, rails, flat seal surfaces. The cost of that is huge. Trucks pay huge amounts in RUC's and petrol taxes, most of that does not go to roads.


Yogi Bear,you're at it again.

Posted on 21-07-2015 12:53 | By robin bell

Most (if not all) heavy delivery trucks are diesel not petrol, most operate as a business on wheels.They therefor enjoy the privilege of being able to claim tax deductable status.Therefor the HUGE costs you claim are somewhat whittled down.Is this a form of troughing off the other tax payers,I don't know,but you sure as hell will.Remember private cars,motobikes etc have no such privilege. Robin Bell.


Swt3

Posted on 21-07-2015 16:49 | By Kenworthlogger

I have 3 cars so am also paying 3 times for ACC aswel. Its the nature of the beast. You knew that before you paid the bill. You can only drive or ride one at a time true but if someone else uses it then its totally correct.


Robin, you're at it again

Posted on 21-07-2015 21:36 | By YOGI BEAR

Just one more time ... the money paid being tax deductible is irrelevant, what is relevant here is that most money collected by the Government from Petrol tax and RUC's is collected for roads but not spent on roads. Simple eh mate. I guess the honey has to be topped up from the truckies because the WTF Treaty claims are just so high and unbelievable.


A smile, Yogi bear

Posted on 22-07-2015 10:49 | By robin bell

brought to the face of all businesses,tax deductable. Money paid and then recouped,via another route.This thread is about unfairness to bikies. For every accident they have, dozens are avoided by their ability to react quickly,and their need for less space.Nothing to do with your obsession with politics. Robin Bell.


Robin

Posted on 22-07-2015 19:01 | By Kenworthlogger

I have a dashcam full of idiots on the road. Lots of bikers among them. Often i move over and let the bikes go past unlike cars do as i simply dont want them to go under my trailer in the event of an "accident". Most seem very impatient. I can see why they are involved in so many accidents. They are small fast and none wear hi viz.


Kenworthlogger

Posted on 23-07-2015 09:35 | By robin bell

No argument from me on the way "some" riders perform. I've ridden all my adult life off and on, never had an accident.In my opinion bikes are as "safe" as any other mode of transport, always down to the driver/rider, that includes logging trucks sadly. Robin Bell.


Yes Robin

Posted on 23-07-2015 13:53 | By Kenworthlogger

I agree with you. Althought you should see how the gangs ride. When the filthy few overtake you in a swarm you have to see some of the clowns to believe it. I was coming into Te Puke loaded from Rotorua the other day and a swarm of these dudes decided to speed past me and overtake just as i was coming up to the Island division thru the centre of town. They all made it (just) past except one who found himself on the wrong side of the road going the wrong way with oncoming traffic. Any normal person would have stopped but no he raced me to the first roundabout and again failed to get past. Only when he got on the correct side of the road could he safely pass me on the 2 lane part which is where normal people go...


Well that's surely the important bit...

Posted on 24-07-2015 21:48 | By groutby

Kenworthlogger, your last few words: " which is where the normal people go"..and, as a motorcyclist I understand at least part of your frustration when this happens...BUT...please...most motorcyclists are not like that and I hope you can accept certain groups in our society have there own ways such as the filthy few you refer to, these guys will become even fewer in due course if they ride like that. All motorcyclists are just not like that..I also see this (behaviour) as a driver during the working day in the region and am saddened by this ..Such people as this are those who give most motorcylists a bad impression to other motorists...ACC certainly despise us!..and I certainly agree with Robin's view here..(readers note: you are possibly not likely to see that statement repeated:)


I'm happy, groutby

Posted on 25-07-2015 10:51 | By robin bell

to take the crumbs."Possibly" gives me enduring hope.It's great to see you defending the rights of a minority,Bit selective but hey! anything is better than nothing, I think you'll agree. Robin Bell.


IWI tax

Posted on 25-07-2015 16:33 | By YOGI BEAR

Would be best, that means set up a tax free charitable trust and pay no tax at all, even at worst set up a part-Maori Incorporation and pay only 17.50%. Now there is a cunning plan now isn't it Robin.


Groutby

Posted on 26-07-2015 09:36 | By Kenworthlogger

Yes i agree most bikers are great and as i said i have no problems moving over as i drive to let then past safely. Most give a friendly wave so all good their. Basically its the minority we are talking about here again that ruin everything for the majority.


Kenworthlogger

Posted on 26-07-2015 13:24 | By YOGI BEAR

Agree, usual issue is a handful of misfits that give a bad impression. That is the common thread about many a thing, some have bad behavior some have a bad attitude, the worst have both. They are the radicals and they attempt to preserve with a personal agenda that is self beneficial etc


Couldn't agree more,

Posted on 27-07-2015 09:57 | By robin bell

Yogi bear. Your "self analysis" is spot on, clearly there is hope for you yet. Robin Bell.


Robin

Posted on 27-07-2015 12:03 | By YOGI BEAR

It is you and you know it.


Bikers

Posted on 28-07-2015 16:05 | By YOGI BEAR

pay up you have had 10 years of freebees on the TCC ratepayers, its all over, get over it.


Bikers

Posted on 30-07-2015 21:21 | By Kenworthlogger

Yep suck it up guys!!!


Trev

Posted on 05-08-2015 13:04 | By Pete KELLY

Any biker in his/her right mind wouldn't ever use these toll roads anyway, they are mainly straight roads and that's not what riding a M/Bike is all about.So, no problem for me, I'll always ride the twisties.


$1 a trip

Posted on 07-08-2015 23:09 | By Vman

Users pay these days. Weight has the most impact on any road, hence we pay massive RUC rates and over twice the the rate that cars do. So by the same theory bikes should pay less than cars as they weigh less than a third the weight of a car and generally only have one person on them. So $1 per trip would seem fairer.


Vaughnl

Posted on 09-08-2015 11:01 | By Kenworthlogger

Actually your weight argument is not correct. A logging truck with a 4 axel trailer that can take a maximum of 48 ton gross weight actually pays more RUC than a 5 axel trailer that can cart 58 ton gross weight,


Kw logger

Posted on 11-08-2015 21:58 | By Vman

I realise that. I drive a 9 axle unit. either way we still pay the same toll anyway because we are "trucks" My point was simply that. A) bikes should pay, yes B) personally I think it should be less than a car


VaughnL

Posted on 12-08-2015 17:14 | By Kenworthlogger

Yes i agree with you mate. Bikes should be a dollar.


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