Maori seek city council seats

Maori will be seeking representation on Tauranga City Council in the 2016 elections, council's Tangata Whenua Committee heard today.

Committee member Puhirake Ihaka says the topic is introduced now in order to commence discussions on a review of Maori representation through Maori seats on the city council.


Next meeting of the Tangata Whenua Tauranga City Council Committee is at the Tamapahore Marae in April.

'We had a go before and it wasn't successful,” says Puhirake.

He was referring to the council's decision in June 2005 to remain with generally elected seats for the 2007 elections.

At the time it was said the council's 8-3 decision was in order fend-off a review by the Local Government Commission, fearing it would rid the council of ward seats entirely and finish off the commission's decision just the year before to cut the council size down to 10. A decision that ignored a referendum, and a council decision proposing a bigger council.

In 2005 Maori leaders were pushing for Tauranga to follow the lead of the Bay of Plenty Regional Council, which introduced separate Maori seats.

'What I am doing at this stage is bringing it to the table for discussion,” says Puhirake.

'We are looking towards the next elections in 2016, this creates time to debate and discuss this particular issue.”

The beginning parts of a blog on the issue by Muriel Newman covers the legal labyrinth and hurdles facing the process, referencing the set-up of the Auckland super city. Read the blog here.

The announcement of the topic for future discussion comes as 19 recent Treaty of Waitangi settlements have been made affecting the Western Bay of Plenty with 11 directly affecting Tauranga City.

In his talk on treaty issues Antoine Coffin says there is a strong commitment through the settlements for tangata whenua to protect and enhance natural and physical resources particularly water for future generations.

Buddy Mikaere, speaking to the Ngai Tamarawaho hapu management plan, also put the committee on notice of an increasing desire for the hapu to be heard on environmental issues of concern over its rohe, which includes the city environs, the Waikareao estuary, and south as far as Puwhenua.

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125 comments

Overit

Posted on 28-02-2014 15:27 | By overit

Just get elected like all the other candidates. I do not believe in special treatment for Maori. We are all NZers. My partner and I are going to join the OneLaw4All Party this election and I would dearly love others too.$10 to help secure NZs future without racial bias.


Auckland

Posted on 28-02-2014 16:27 | By YOGI BEAR

the end of democracy ... here it comes. OVERIT, I agree, anyone wants a seat/say then stand up and get voted in like the rest. Don't do a sneaky back door thing like Auckland, the majority don't want it and never did so get over it and get rid. Apartheid here we come ...


Oh Dear

Posted on 28-02-2014 16:34 | By Hess

when will it end.


fully agree

Posted on 28-02-2014 16:50 | By roger1

her,here overit i"m with you


Character not colour

Posted on 28-02-2014 17:07 | By Steve Morris

I consider Maori, Pakeha, Asian, Female, Male equal and each person's vote equal. Personally I look at the content of someone's character, then their policies. Their skin colour or ancestry doesn't come into it for me and I believe most NZers nowadays feel the same. Winston Peters and Simon Bridges have done well in the general electorate of Tauranga and they are of Maori descent. If people are racist then we as a society need to change them, if there is inequality then it needs to be addressed, but to tamper with the electoral equality of each person by creating seats based on race is wrong. You can't make someone more equal by making others less equal. Let's fight racism through education, not by hurting democratic principles


Interesting comment,

Posted on 28-02-2014 17:16 | By robin bell

overit.For a start you know full well that Maori,thats Maori interests,can never be protected by "just getting elected" the 85% majority have ensured that in the past.Maori do not get "special treatment"They are simply being compensated for having thier land stolen.They have the right,guaranteed by the treaty to enjoy being Maori.Go ahead and join the 1law4all party I hope it delivers the happiness you desire.I don't think it will though.Robin Bell.


Racism

Posted on 28-02-2014 19:28 | By Accountable

So who are the racists now? Come on Buddy get a real job like the rest of us and live on what you earn without holding your hand out like you are doing at present.If you are good enough you will be elected. Just convince your supporters you have the answers like all politicians.


NO

Posted on 28-02-2014 21:32 | By Capt_Kaveman

remove all seats even in govt elections go get elected like everyone else, "The land was not stolen" in fact much of it was gifted but remember maori are not one people and never were the treaty is just a fabricated bit of paper, one law for all


What to do

Posted on 28-02-2014 22:27 | By FunandGames

Each side of the discussion has merit, However I think its time for the caliber of the individual to shine, then they will be taken seriously by all and be able to achive. Withen the Maori community there are some outstanding individuals who need promoting now to get the general population's attention and votes.


Yeah, Nah

Posted on 01-03-2014 07:35 | By Disappointed

New Zealand is a party to and a signatory of the 'International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination' yet what is being promoted here is a clear breach of this undertaking (Article 4 c). For no other reason race based appointments are simply wrong.


Animal Farm

Posted on 01-03-2014 09:10 | By The author of this comment has been removed.

"We are all equal, but some are more equal than others" George Orwell Animal Farm, 1946


.

Posted on 01-03-2014 10:33 | By Sambo Returns

continuously rings his own bell, abolish the Maori general seats as well, one people, if you were helping your people with your perceived injustice money, maybe I would have some sympathy, but the rest of us in this country are always handing you money, get over it!!!, and please do not bore me with your intellectual rants, we have had enough.


You.could.say.that.

Posted on 01-03-2014 10:34 | By robin bell

You conveniently slipped past Article 2 (2).much more relevent to N.Zs.current situation I think you will agree.Just wondering Kaveman,Who was it who fabricated the Treaty?Robin Bell.


Sambo returns,

Posted on 01-03-2014 12:20 | By robin bell

Iv'e never been accused of being an Intellectual before.I'm not sure whether to be flattered or insulted.I think you will find that Maori are not interested in your "sympathy"your understanding perhaps,but that seems unlikely.If proven land theft,is not injustice,what is?Please don't say a couple of token seats on council.You,(we)have all the power,most of the money but its not enough,is it sambo.Robin Bell.


Here we go again

Posted on 01-03-2014 14:55 | By Fonzie

Racial separatism rears its ugly head again. It all went quiet before the local body elections Questions were not allowed from the floor to candidates on the subject and now they are trying to sneak it in again


Theodorus

Posted on 01-03-2014 22:30 | By Theodorus

By signing the treaty the Maori became British citizens and agreed to abide by the British laws in all its forms and if they did not they had to bear the punishments the same as every British citizen,as in we are one people!


Reverse Apartheid a growing 'disease' in NZ

Posted on 02-03-2014 09:43 | By Mary Faith

As long as the government and other authorities keep pandering to the whims of a tiny minority of trouble mongerers, then the growing resentment against their race will continue! Anyone not of the Maori race who speaks out is deemed to be a 'racist'. The boot is well and truly on the opposite foot in this country! Lets hope the council tell them where to go in this instance.


Fonzie and Theodorus,

Posted on 02-03-2014 10:06 | By robin bell

Maori have a "natural justice"right to represent their interests.By forcing them to run the gauntlet of local body elections(given they are a 15% minority) you effectively deny them justice.But you know that eh!I put it to you,no Maori campaigning on Maori issues would ever get elected,but you know that too, eh!Robin Bell.


Robin Bell

Posted on 02-03-2014 10:56 | By Fonzie

Tells us that Maori have the right to enjoy being Maori The problem I have is understanding what Maori cultural differences are I know what they used to be and we cant go there but all I see now are Magic marker mokos Fibreglass wakas Guitar accompanied foreign melodies Dremel carved mutton bones pacific island conch blowing and maorified english words to describe just about everything along with a perpetual handout mentality Where is this maoriness of which you speak? Describe it


All NZers

Posted on 02-03-2014 14:55 | By Jitter

"Maori" currently are only 14% of the population of NZ (Latest Stats NZ figures)so why should they as a minority be given special preferential treatment. If this is done then the same should be "handed" to the Asian and Pacifica members of the population who each make up 10% of the population (Stats NZ again). I agree with other commentators who say that if "Maori" want to be represented on TCC then they put up candidates like everyone else and if they are good enough they will be elected. That is what democracy is, not handing priveleges continually to one small minority group who think they are better than everyone else.


Question your Councillors and MPs

Posted on 02-03-2014 15:08 | By crazyhorse

Before these seats on council are""given""!!!!!to unelected unwanted and self serving people. Who exactly do the 'mana whenua” representatives actually work for? How does one join this group and obtain power? By what process do they get their positions? Apart from them representing just one population segment, have they been checked for any other conflicts of interest? Who pays their costs? How is their performance evaluated and by whom? What confidence can ratepayers have that the interests of all New Zealanders in the region will be protected?


APARTHEID HERE WE COME

Posted on 02-03-2014 15:18 | By crazyhorse

The government has declined meeting with the non-iwi Independent Constitutional Review Panel on the grounds that it is not meeting with other groups. But if the Iwi Leaders Group chooses to raise the issue at the next regular meeting, which is on Wednesday at Waitangi, the government will be happy to discuss it. A race-based system of co-governance has emerged. Everyone gets to elect representatives who form a government. But this elected government acts as though it is in partnership with non-elected private Maori groups that have been created and funded by - the government. If you don't like the race-based governance that we have, you have two votes this year to register disapproval. Or, you could try to talk to your MP. Good luck with that!!unelected seats on anything and everything>!!


Obtain power?

Posted on 02-03-2014 19:32 | By YOGI BEAR

Easy in the tried and true way ... eliminate the opposition and seize control, that is how it has always been done.


Democracy Crazy style,

Posted on 02-03-2014 19:48 | By robin bell

Take the founding partner of N.Z.deny them representation and take away their rights.When they ask for their rights,accuse them of racism.When they organise themselves,accuse them of activism.When they ask to be recognised as Mana Whenua,accuse them of being self -appointed.When they ask for nominal representation accuse them of seperatism.When they point out they are only 15% of the population,accuse them of power mongering.When they claim their heritage as Maori accuse them of delusion,and say they don't exist.Thankfully for most of us those days are over,wise heads rule.Perhaps those few who don't like the new way,could follow crazy to Australia.Robin Bell.


WHAT TO LOOK FORWARD TO!

Posted on 02-03-2014 20:08 | By crazyhorse

Thanks to Slivering Lascivious Len onthe table "Browny BRO'S and Iwi, commercial and private homes and properties in Auckland now may have a purple dot put on them. You may find when you go to do any alterations on your property that you have to consult with up to 12 different iwi and pay a rort (consultation fee) before iwi will allow you to do any alterations on your own property. The purple dots are supposed to represent areas of cultural significance to Iwi with middens (maori rubbish dumps) being a favourite excuse. Not sure about any one else but I just see this as extortion.. A bit like the mafia looking for protection money..


NO FREE LUNCH

Posted on 03-03-2014 09:49 | By The Caveman

One person, one vote, NO free "unelected" seats on any council ............


Obtaining power,

Posted on 03-03-2014 10:12 | By robin bell

Mr bear,doing a little self analysis!!I have to admit "you the man"the ultimate observer,and voice of the"contradictory obvious"Robin Bell.


No more favours

Posted on 03-03-2014 13:19 | By Rayna Stephens

Maori are perfectly welcome to contest for a seat on any council. What is not democratic is to ask for a specially created Maori seat. The Local Government commission would have every council set up and pay for a Maori Advisory Board. This why Auckland is in so much strife with iwi contesting to be local rulers and why this ridiculous bore claim has even been contemplated. Time to reclaim democracy while we still can


Democracy

Posted on 03-03-2014 13:19 | By Raewyn

I think the meaning of this word has been forgotten! The Maori people in our area have always been consulted and treated fairly as in matters of interest to all ratepayers, I dont see why anyone should get a seat on Council or anywhere else based on Race, Stand up for election and prove you want to do right by all Ratepayers and you will certainly get the votes, We all want what is best for the environment and to keep our own properties in pristine condition


Dishonest Mr Bell

Posted on 03-03-2014 13:56 | By Murray.Guy

Take the founding partner of N.Z. deny them representation and take away their rights ... That is gross misrepresentation of reality Mr Bell and serves NO useful purpose whatsoever. Advocate for 'At Large' local body representation and the chances of success are enhanced for minority representation. There are a number of options, many already in place including the RMA, that applies meaningful opportunity to Maori to influence outcomes and manage our resources. This race based benefit mind-set has to go before 'one nation' can ever emerge.


Special Treatment

Posted on 03-03-2014 15:55 | By Jitter

Robin Bell states that "Maori" don't get special treatment ! What a load of utter crap. Look at Pharmac policy, Medsafe policy and legislation plus the Health and Disability Ethics Committee legislation and policy to name a few. Ethics that's a laugh. Does Robin Bell know that every new medication clinically tested in NZ has to be approved/signed off by "Maori" first to ensure that it is "culturally acceptable". Now Pharmac are setting up a "Maori Responsiveness Team" ! Why ? What about the Asians and Pacifica people. Land - much of the land included in Waitangi claims was legally purchsed by the government of the day at the then current rate per acre eg from sixpence to five shillings an acre dependant on the quality. Where does this info come from ? National Archives. Are they untrue or dishonest accounts ? Grow up.


DEMOCRACY BELL STYLE

Posted on 03-03-2014 16:35 | By crazyhorse

Unelected iwi interests are determining the future of the Hauraki Gulf. Their representatives control the development of the Hauraki Gulf marine spatial plan. They will ultimately recommend the plan to relevant councils and agencies for implementation through their statutory processes. For some hard to fathom reason, the project (christened ‘Sea Change') has been set up as a 50/50 partnership. It is comprised of 8 representatives of regional iwi - known as mana whenua - and 8 from participating government agencies, i.e. the Hauraki Gulf Forum, Auckland Council, Waikato Regional Council, Department of Conservation, Ministry of Primary Industries and Territorial Authorities. To add to the racially selected make-up of this steering group, one of the Waikato Regional Council delegates represents the newly created Nga Tai ki Uta Maori constituency. Consequently the steering group is made up of 9 members representing Maori interests, and just 7 representing the general population. http://www.seachange.org.nz/General/Sea-Change-Project-Steering-Group-members/


Tangata Whenua

Posted on 03-03-2014 16:36 | By ianbarbara@xtra.co.nz

If these people who call themselves Maori say they are tangata Whenua then they don't know much about themselves.If they bother to read some of the old books they would read that when Maori arrived they were meet by people they called tangata Whenua. Ngapuhi Chief David Rankin said that Maori are not indigenous to New Zealand there were many other races already living here before Maori Also maori never owned land they only occupied it for as long as they could defend it. Maori had acquired New Zealand from the tangata Whenua who were the Celts (Scots)So I say learn about the true history of this land not the made up stuff. Ian Brougham Wanganui


HOTTING UP IN AUCKLAND

Posted on 03-03-2014 16:50 | By crazyhorse

Now that people have finally found out what went on behind the scenes we see the consequences of Auckland Council transferring unfettered power to part-Maori tribal (iwi) Authorities in the Auckland region, is the same going to happen here in the "Bay", who gave council the mandate to even discuss this on behalf of their ratepayers????


Boy did I touch a nerve

Posted on 03-03-2014 21:33 | By robin bell

Raewyn,Walt Whitman,said "The history of democracy can not yet be written,because democracy is not yet built.Think about it.A few token Maori,can never represent their interests in a just way.Mr Guy,There is no dishonesty in my comment.The line you chose to quote out of context,was made in an historical context.I stand by the rest.If you doubt what I say,I suggest you read other comments.Dishonesty comes in many forms,Jitter is testament to that.Crown pre-emption,1846'surplus land taken"Crown agents developed "highly dubious"practices to effect sales.Any land deemed unused,confiscated.1873 Native land act and court,effectively denied Maori, blocks large enough to support themselves, possibly the begining of the end for Maori aspirations.The effect on Maori was disastrous and has bedevilled them eversince,making it virtually impossible to raise development funding,to this day.Source,The T.O.W, Timeline.State Services Commission.1986,Deliverance begins.No Privelige,No special treatment,but JUSTICE.Robin Bell.


Amazing

Posted on 04-03-2014 08:51 | By Jitter

I don't know where Robin Bell gets their information from but it is completely different from that which I have researched. I notice there is no comment on the special priveleges for "Maori" built into Pharmac, Medsafe and the Health and Disabilities Ethics Committee legislation and policy. There are pages and pages of these priveleges for "Maori" in each plus the Resource Management Act. I am assuming the same goes for the policy and legislation for every other government organisation. I am slowly working my way through these to find out.


Michael Bassett 'was'

Posted on 04-03-2014 10:08 | By crazyhorse

an Auckland City Councillor, Minister of Local Government 1984-90, and a member of the Waitangi Tribunal 1994-2004. This morning's report that the new Auckland Council yesterday pushed through a budget of $3.43 million to fund an unelected Maori Statutory Board for Auckland is a disgrace. Len Brown and his Council should hang their heads in shame. So, too, should Rodney Hide and John Key who let it happen, despite earlier protestations that there would not be separate racial representation on the Auckland Council. The new council's allocation of ratepayers' money to unelected people to play games with, 'engaging and reporting to the Maori Community”, 'researching” the well-being of Maori when 101 other publicly-funded agencies are doing the same, and with nearly $1 million allocated for 'staff costs” that aren't explained, brings shame on every councillor who was party to the rushed decision. http://www.michaelbassett.co.nz/articleview2.php?id=230&yh=2012&yl=2011


Jitter,

Posted on 04-03-2014 12:08 | By robin bell

you make a number of claims,I gave you my source.Perhaps you could help me,with the name of the Maori Authority you claim has veto right over new medications.If these medications are for use on Maori patients,whats your problem?Its not a privelige its a right,You have it and I have it.If Maori chose to organise themselves in that way,that too is their right.I know from long experience that many Maori respond much better,to medical care in sympathy with their race and culture.You ask about the rights of Asian and Pacifica groups.Of course they were not founding partners in N.Z.I think though you will find they have rights around their racial differences.If I was one of these groups I would be very concerned with your expressed attitude toward Maori.Robin Bell.


Rights!

Posted on 04-03-2014 20:10 | By Raewyn

The Maori People are a minority race in New Zealand! Had not the other Races defended New Zealand in the Wars the Japanese would have invaded in the second world war and the Maori race would have no rights in this land! About time they where thankful instead of sucking up finances and not putting that back into the well-being of our country for the betterment of all


good candidate to vote for

Posted on 05-03-2014 11:56 | By ow

Put up a good maori candidate and I will vote for him/her. someone who has proven business skills and not looking for handouts all the time. We need more good role models not safe seats for moaners


To Robin Bell

Posted on 05-03-2014 14:52 | By Jitter

I have letters which state that Maori (no specific authority specified) must sign off on all clinically tested medications in NZ to ensure they are "Culturally acceptable". To me this is a very racist policy as no other ethnic groups are included. These medications are not purely for the use of Maori but the general population. It is also stated that there is no specific list of "other population groups" which makes this an elitist policy.


Maori

Posted on 05-03-2014 16:19 | By Blessed

As soon as U put maori in the Heading of any News article, So many negative comments come up below the article.. I dont agree with separatism, I barely know any FULL BLOODED Maori under 60,I will Vote for the people that will help our Region and country in a Positive manner, including Holding on to our Unique NZ Culture, As a part Maori, With English and Italian Heritage. I dont care what color skin or hair u have. We all pay our Taxes, Just cause we are Maori we dont all receive handouts, id have my Dream ute if that were true LOL


Its all a bit vague,Jitter.

Posted on 05-03-2014 16:49 | By robin bell

"Letters"just don't crack it.Gov't could not possibly allow any group to "sign off" on anything,unless mandated to do so.Even then any change would only apply to that specific group.I suggest (respectfully)that you base your accusations of racism on something more substantial than "letters".As for "other population groups".Maori have and reserve the right,to influence policies across the board,that affect them.That is not "elitist" as you claim.It is simply their right to self determination,within the context of one nation,two or more peoples.They pose no threat to you or anyone else,the process of reversing generations of discrimination is almost over,embrace it.Robin Bell.


JITTER MEANS THIS STUFF

Posted on 05-03-2014 17:25 | By crazyhorse

THE NEW ZEALAND MEDICAL JOURNAL. Simple suggestions to improve New Zealand {Ethical Committees}. There is widespread agreement amongst researchers that the ethics review system must be substantially changed as it is currently frustrating researchers, wasting their valuable time. No need to consult Maori for every study. This would be a sensible requirement for research limited to the M?ori community, but since 1999 Ethics Committees have insisted that researchers 'consult with M?ori” for every application. This is often expensive and is unnecessary as there is a requirement for M?ori members of each committee, who must surely be there to assess the application from a M?ori viewpoint anyway. http://journal.nzma.org.nz/journal/123-1313/4095/content.pdf


To Robin Bell - Again

Posted on 05-03-2014 20:42 | By Jitter

The letters are in reply to my queries as a result of a discussion with a very concerned medical professional and are from - Pharmac, Medsafe and the Health and Disabilities Ethics Committee concerning clinical trials of new medications in NZ. A number of these requirements were initiated when the Labour government was in power as far back as 1999. Thank you Crazyhorse for your additional comments. Robin Bell should look online at the policies and legislation of the above three medical organisations. I know for a fact that the medical profession as a whole is concerned at these special priveleges that have been handed out in secret over the years.


I see the light,

Posted on 06-03-2014 08:47 | By robin bell

It seems jitter,that the main area of concern is cost and time,which equals frustration.Are these "requirements" special priveliges?I don't think so.Maori have an inherent right to participate.Clearly governments agree.Committees in any walk of life "waste money" in the eyes of some.Even our obsessive 'researcher crazy,asserts "this would be a sensible requirement for research limited to the Maori community" I would submit,The Maori community is part and parcel of the general community,but seperate in a cultural sense.Its a toughie jitter but racist backlash is not the answer.Robin Bell.


Democratic carnage

Posted on 06-03-2014 17:30 | By YOGI BEAR

The result of this little scam getting any traction here in the BOP, Auckland has already folded to the greedy whims here, please don't let BOP go the same way.


NGAPUHI OWES THE GOVERNMENT BIG TIME!

Posted on 07-03-2014 00:20 | By crazyhorse

On the 6 February 2006 when the One New Zealand Foundation Inc set up its display opposing the Treaty 2 U Exhibition at Waitangi, we received many encouraging comments from Maori and Pakeha, but one comment will stick in my mind forever. A very old Maori man came up to me and asked the question, 'Do you know why Ngapuhi were so keen to sign the Treaty”. I had never really thought about this and answered, 'No”. He replied, 'Ngapuhi had more muskets that any other tribe and under the leadership of Hongi Hika in 1820 had gone south slaughtering, eating and taking slaves of hundreds of his fellow countrymen. This had continued for about ten years until the southern tribes had gained enough muskets to lodge a counter attach on Ngapuhi for utu - revenge”, which was a fundamental rule of Maori culture in the 19th century. http://www.onenzfoundation.co.nz/


BELL ASK'S

Posted on 07-03-2014 10:03 | By crazyhorse

Are these "requirements" special privileges. MAORI-ONLY … Schools Education scholarships Housing projects Health prioritisation and initiatives Welfare (whanau ora) Prisoner programmes Positions on government agencies Consultation rights under the RMA Parks, rivers, lakes, coastline Maori authority tax rates Maori authority tax-free status Seats on local councils Local government statutory boards Local government liaison committees Seats in parliament Sports teams Maori Land Owners Trustee Organisation Brand Maori electoral roll Agribusiness Awards Maori TV Channel Billions of $ of Government payouts Music Awards Forest Rental Trust, which only Maori can use to finance their claims however the forests are owned by the public. ("Let the Truth be known" by Hilda Philips she found there were about 269 Acts giving Maori preference over non-Maori). Sole Rights to Greenstone in the South Island Sole Rights to whale watching and beached whales, BELL IS THE ONE WHO HAS BEEN INDOCTRINATED!


Robbin Bell

Posted on 07-03-2014 13:26 | By YOGI BEAR

But has been utterly blinded and so sees nothing else but ...


Not Racist Backlash

Posted on 07-03-2014 14:31 | By Jitter

My concern is not racist as I would be concerned at any minority group being handed priveleges over and above the general population by central government or anyone else. Whether people in NZ are white,green, red, brown or blue they all have the same opportunities for education and medical treatment. I agree Maori have a right to participate but not over and above everyone else.


Racist Backlash?

Posted on 08-03-2014 09:28 | By YOGI BEAR

Is most likely when there is or is perceived to be a privilege of one group over another. The government funded health system is where Maori are provided with free medical and prescriptions in for example East Coast and Northland, that is a race-based decision by Government that is only available to one group. The Education area is no different, the Papamoa school recently noted as not completing its school audit since 2009 is a good example, if that was any other school then it would have had its funding stopped until it complied, but the crys publically would come about that saying "racists" if the right thing was done. Meanwhile the staff all had a holiday to the islands out of the school budget on you guessed it "cultural" grounds. All Maori deny the Island link but this confirms otherwise at a cost right!


Race Based

Posted on 08-03-2014 17:08 | By carpedeum

Definition of apartheid is different rules based on different races- is this where we are heading in New Zealand ???


Carpedeum

Posted on 09-03-2014 00:06 | By YOGI BEAR

That is not a question, it is a fact and I agree. "Goneburger ...."


The full Monty,

Posted on 09-03-2014 10:53 | By robin bell

Jitter you claim there are no Maori living.You claim they have privelige over and above all else.Like your friends you are obsessed by Maori aspiration.Like it or not,you do not have the right to deny Maori their rights.Your friend mr bear rants on about "percieved"privelige.He quotes a school in Papamoa,who he claims have not completed an audit.Even if true,thats no privelige.He seems happy to close the school,no mention of any disruption to the children and their rights.The absolute fact is no other group is materially disadvantaged by Maori Health and Education initiatives.They are designed to lift health standards and education performance,and Its working big time.Everyone gains.Your emotive terminology designed to denigrate Maori is what identifies you as racist,and strips you bare.The full Monty.Robin Bell.


Further more mr bear,

Posted on 09-03-2014 13:37 | By robin bell

the people of the East coast and Northland are in desperate need of assistance.You of course are not.That you have no concern for the need to provide medical care for these people is a shame on you.Dr Lance O'Sullivan New Zealander of the year 2014.Maori of the year 2013.In the words of chief judge Cameron Benett-Dr Lance O'Sullivans passion,drive and unwavering commitment to eradicating poverty related illnesses are exactly the qualities we look for.It begs the question.What exactly are your,and your friends 'fine"qualities?Please remind us all.Robin Bell.


Bell news flash ...

Posted on 09-03-2014 16:00 | By YOGI BEAR

Jitter is correct, there are no more Maori living. The Maori who arrived in NZ (were actually islanders) and they interbred with the local population that was already here. They had no choice about that as there were only men in the Islander group that was dropped off in NZ by general Zheng He from his seven warships that were wandering the globe. They were dropped off because they did not do any work, that means rowing the boat.


Unfortunate

Posted on 09-03-2014 20:21 | By Jitter

In this ongoing discussion Messrs Bell and Dey show themselves up as the real racist separatists. Why ? Because they state that Maori have an inherant right to be treated differently and be given special priveleges over the rest of NZ citizens. Again I ask- Why ? Once this "right" is sneaked in througout NZ and includes every bit of legislation both central government and that of local government we will have elitism, and separatism. Perhaps Messrs Bell and Dey will change their minds when it blows up in their faces. People of NZ are very apathetic but they will only take so much. I hope I am wrong.


Mr Bell.

Posted on 10-03-2014 11:47 | By Jimmy

"The absolute fact is no other group is materially disadvantaged by Maori Health and Education initiatives." So the fact that I struggle to feed/clothe/provide for my child because I HAVE to pay for everything for him and myself. Is that not disadvantaging? I can't buy him the latest pair of shoes because I fed him this morning. think before you speak, racism comes not only from "anti-race" but also from "pro-race"


Jittery Jimmy

Posted on 10-03-2014 17:29 | By YOGI BEAR

Yes, Pro and against is the same thing. Preference is the issue if genuine or not it is still apartheid. But the really vexing question here is the false and misleading basis for the whole thing in the first place as well, not even close to realistic on a good day.


Hey! Jimmy,

Posted on 10-03-2014 20:40 | By robin bell

Spending on Maori Health and Education is part of general spending on both.Poverty is common in high density Maori areas.I know you have little sympathy for those people,but the simple fact is they need help.That is what good people do,regardless of race.If things are really so bad for you Jimmy,I suggest you sell the computer and any other useless "gismo"you may have prioritised, and do the decent thing by your son.If that doesn't work Jimmy,give me a ring,(I'm one of the very few in this discussion to put up a proper name)I will deem it a pleasure to shout your son some shoes.Robin Bell.


Robin

Posted on 11-03-2014 00:26 | By YOGI BEAR

Wat you are really saying to Jimmy is "Join a IWI" quick so you can jump on the band wagon of "I am poor give me more ... more ..."


Mr Bell

Posted on 11-03-2014 09:35 | By Jimmy

However i welcome your comment I find it highly inapproriate that you comment about my parenting and prioritising. You say i prioritise "computers" and other useless "gismo". The last time i was able to purcahse anything for myself was quite some time ago as I make sure my son has everything he needs and some of his wants as well. WELL before I do what i would like to do for myself. If you assume, you make an ass out of you n not me


..

Posted on 11-03-2014 11:23 | By robin bell

what wonderfull spin doctor you are.Talking of Doctors,why don't you and Jimmy,the Jittery one and the rest,Google Dr Lance O'Sullivan.Real N.Z.Hero.Maori of the year 2013,N.Zr of the year 2014.Works in the far north to bring health and wellbeing to poverty stricken people.Read it and feel sick of your uncaring,unfeeling selfishness.Robin Bell.


Master Bell

Posted on 11-03-2014 16:27 | By YOGI BEAR

Whatever, that is a daily happenings all over NZ, you have missed the point all over the place to date about what the real issue is.


Robin

Posted on 11-03-2014 16:30 | By Jimmy

You put me with those 2, yet I am not with them. All I want is to live in a country where everyone is treated fairly regardless of colour/race/religion/sex. Personally I've seen it both ways, anti/pro race, I've been treated both ways. I am just getting tired of people who fight for one side. "One sidedness" never gets anyone anywhere. Move on as New Zealanders or forever be opposing forces.


Sorry Jimmy,

Posted on 11-03-2014 17:08 | By robin bell

I thought you were 'involved' with the other two.If you had read my comments over the years,you would know my "bag" is racism.I have no particular political bent.I do know though,that extremism is not the answer to your problem.I definately do not take one side,as you put it.The equality you seek will not come from depriving Maori of justice so long denied them.The new ACT party money man,Allan Gibbs recently announced his dream,privatise every thing.It will never happen Jimmy,but that is what the "other two"and friends want.They attack Maori,to get emotive support from people like you and me.Robin Bell.


Robin 2

Posted on 11-03-2014 20:27 | By YOGI BEAR

Yeah why are you putting me in with those other two? That is just not right, I would not who they are although would have a lot of respect for there opinion for what they have written makes a lot of sense. Your writing are some what different, the jury is out and long gone on your commentaries ...


Maori Only Privileges

Posted on 11-03-2014 20:46 | By Mary Faith

Maori only initiatives funded fully or partly by you: The New Zealand Public Health and Disability Act 2000 has clauses giving Maori priority for health treatment. The Resource Management Act has clauses giving tribal elites veto power in building and development. Maori only Schools. Maori only education scholarships. Maori only housing projects. Maori only prisoner programmes. Maori only positions in government agencies. Maori only consultation rights under the RMA. Maori only co-management of parks, rivers, lakes and coastline. Maori only seats on some local councils. Maori only local government statutory boards. Maori only local government liaison committees. Maori only seats in parliament. Maori only welfare (Whanau Ora)..... and the list goes on and on .... Mr Bell - Do you dispute these facts??? You need to pull your head out of the sand and face reality!


NZ

Posted on 12-03-2014 08:59 | By Jimmy

is going downhill quick. I've been denied help from the government in the past with a young partner and newborn child on what can only be classed as "the colour of my skin". When other "races" are being given things left right and centre because they "accidentally spent their money on alcohol". It is no wonder this country is being divided, and the kiwis with exceptional skills (ALL races), are taking those skills elsewhere, not only for the money, but for a better quality of "equalism". I am far from a racist. I believe a person makes themselves who they are, not the colour of your skin.


Mary,Mary

Posted on 12-03-2014 17:48 | By robin bell

Spinning Mary.You try very hard but you just don't make sense.I ask you,what in gods name does 'Maori only Co-management mean?Co,=joint action,association,how can "Maori only"possibly fit.You are represented in that joint action,so whats your beef?Maori only "consultation rights"Consultation,To consider or ask opinion of.You have that right Mary,so do Maori,get used to it.Maori Focus Units in our jails are designed to reconnect disenfranchised young people with culture,language and core values.works well,everyone gains.Pakeha prisoners have programmes more suited to thier needs.All of the things you mention are similar in nature.That you and your friends don't recognise the need,is a shame on you.Robin Bell.


Pointers

Posted on 13-03-2014 12:31 | By robin bell

If you really exist,here are a few pointers.N.Z.is not going down hill,in fact its going uphill,look around.We do have problems,(1)how to peacfully reverse the appalling treatment of Maori rights.(2)how to combat attitudes like yours.when you generalise about other races.(3)How to deal with the greedy few,who bitterly complain when those in need,get a little help.If you are for real Jimmy,you should remember,the far right have announced they will remove all rights for Maori.They will privatise,Schools,Hospitals Roading.If your worried about "making ends meet" now Jimmy,your in for some powerfull shocks in years to come.Robin Bell.


Disgusting!

Posted on 14-03-2014 19:50 | By jed

Maori just reinforcing the fact they like to get money without actually working for it.


BUDDY AND HIS BRO'S

Posted on 15-03-2014 20:45 | By crazyhorse

Maori will be seeking representation on Tauranga City Council in the 2016 elections, council's Tangata Whenua Committee heard today. Committee member Puhirake Ihaka says the topic is introduced now in order to commence discussions on a review of Maori representation through Maori seats on the city council. 'We had a"GO" before and it wasn't successful,” says Puhirake. He was referring to the council's decision in June 2005 to remain with generally elected seats for the 2007 elections, "it's not up to the council"!!!,every one on council "WORKED" to get there, weather they deserve to be there is not the argument, Buddy and his bro's can get on council just the same as who is there now, get "elected" on "MERIT", work for it, get your selves out there and show what you have to give back to the "rate payers of Tauranga, not just another "TREATY BRO SWEETAS".


(Maori Constituency Empowering) Act 2001

Posted on 15-03-2014 21:12 | By crazyhorse

6Calculation of number of M?ori and general constituency members (1)The number of members to be elected by the electors of 1 or more M?ori constituencies of the Council (M?ori constituency members) is to be determined in accordance with the following formula: . where— nmm is the number of M?ori constituency members mepr is the M?ori electoral population of the region gepr is the general electoral population of the region nm is the proposed number of members of the Council. (2)If the number of the M?ori constituency members calculated under subsection (1) includes a fraction, the fraction must be disregarded unless it exceeds a half. If the fraction exceeds a half, the number of M?ori constituency members must be the next whole number above the number that includes the fraction. AHH, JUST READ THIS WHOLE SITE THROW UP AND BE DONE WITH IT!!!. http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/local/2001/0001/latest/DLM85392.html?search=ts_act_electoral+administration+amendment_noresel&p=1


In Dingalings world

Posted on 16-03-2014 05:57 | By Fonzie

Equality is being far right


MERIT the only measure

Posted on 16-03-2014 09:23 | By Papamoaner

Wouldn't it be great if we could make applicants for everything and anything, submit an anonymous thesis as a measure of merit and suitability for the job, then select the applicants exclusively on the basis of merit. We can all guess who will pass and who will fail, but oh dear, we must not mention that as it might be culturally offensive.


'Papamoaner'

Posted on 16-03-2014 16:38 | By Mary Faith

Your comment well said. "PC" is something invented by the lefties. It should never be used to intimidate the populace from exercising their right of 'free speech' in all matters. Thank you 'SunLive' for this non PC site :)


Fonzie,needs a hand,

Posted on 16-03-2014 16:45 | By robin bell

Equality, is when minorities are allowed to participate in decision making at all levels.Tokenism,as in the past clearly has not worked.Now we have an enlightened attitude(well most do)but not the extreme right in politics,ACT,1law4all.They believe its everyone for themselves,and may the best,luckiest,and most devious win.Thankfully those days are over,now we have true democracy evolving.All minorities can look forward to a better deal.Just watch out for the faaaar right.Robin Bell.


Mary,Mary,

Posted on 17-03-2014 09:12 | By robin bell

quite contrary,how does your garden grow?whith silver bells and cockle shells,and INSULTS all in a row.You may well congratulate papamoaner,but your completely miss the irony in his comment.Anonymous commentary is worthless,therefore the people giving it are equally worthless.Political Correctness may well be taken too far by some,however it is usually a sign of good manners and goodwill.Not values common amongst those of the extremes in politics,or you and your friends.Robin Bell.


Robin

Posted on 17-03-2014 11:16 | By Jimmy

Yes I exist, i think the fact that i comment on here proves that. Your comments prove nothing but bias. I am not for or against anything other thatn everyone being treated fairly. There are extremeists on each side, yet the moment someone comes in not on one side you still feel the need to harrass and belittle them. I want my child to grow up in a country where he is treated fairly and equally. Yes my son is part Maori to a degree. NO i will not allow him handouts to live in this world. My "generalisations" are from personally seen circumstances, I know all too well how you view the world now, come down to reality and see the truth, not what you believe. The only uphill NZ is doing is pushing turds.


Master Bell

Posted on 17-03-2014 14:24 | By YOGI BEAR

I congratulate: - Mary, Jimmy and Krazy Steed for their wisdom to date. In stark contrast you stand alone and with your head in the trough feasting on the wealth of others and still complain for some reason about why others have a problem with that. Take a good long look at yourself, get away from your own mirror and take a glimpse at the world for what it really is.


Mary Faith, jimmy,Papamoaner

Posted on 17-03-2014 14:43 | By crazyhorse

"PC" is something invented by the lefties, so is "BS" it's all Bell spews out in every comment, have you noticed that only we can be insulting, want to know why???, he is a lap dog to part maori, I have said it before iwi could set a bomb off in the middle of town and Bell would be "on his knees" wringing his hands and telling us "it's all our fault, I must admit though he is losing the plot a bit with the personnel stuff, frothing at the mouth, perhaps another distemper shot is in order????, naaah, the last one had no effect,LOL!.


Bedtime

Posted on 17-03-2014 15:45 | By Jitter

It is time this discussion was put to bed as it is going nowhere. Many of the claims made on either side are now becoming ridiculous. Brian put it to bed.


Jimmy,

Posted on 17-03-2014 15:55 | By robin bell

You are correct,I am biased.If you take time to read the racist comments below and on "other channels" you will see why.Our society runs on handouts Jimmy.Govn'ts around the world tax the populace to provide affordable education,health care,etc.etc.You are being badly misled,Maori funding in these areas is not 'over and above' any other sector.It is thier fair share,simply targeted to thier special needs.You have no Idea how I view the world Jimmy.NZ.was founded in biculturism,FACT.The "truth" is one of those cultures was treated unjustly.FACT.The truth is N.Z.is now redressing the imbalance created.You should be congratulating our efforts but the TRUTH is that some including you Jimmy,just don't get it.Your final sentence sums up your mindset.Robin Bell.


Jitter

Posted on 17-03-2014 16:34 | By YOGI BEAR

Tend to agree on one hand, however it illustrates that much needs to be done to bridge the gap between those paying and those "receiving" the goods and benefits of the rest of us all who work for a living. I think that the forum should be expanded if only for the reason that many will become very much aware of what the radicals think and then just how bad it all is.


Good call Jitter

Posted on 17-03-2014 16:34 | By robin bell

but I think you will agree,none of this would have come about,if you and your mates had kept your comments,away from racial slurs.Can you?We will see.Robin Bell.


Agreed Jitter - not nice people

Posted on 17-03-2014 19:39 | By Murray.Guy

MAnonymous commentary is worthless, therefore the people giving it are equally worthless.any ridiculous claims, BUT worst is the constant put down, bullying, nastiness! Such as .... 'Anonymous commentary is worthless, therefore the people giving it are equally worthless.'


Murray

Posted on 18-03-2014 02:25 | By YOGI BEAR

Some who are named by their own word are worthless, but best we not speak of names right ... we live in a PC world where the truth is just not a good idea. Well surprise we have 'Anonymous' writers, this issue is important not the writer. Often those without just cause will attack the writer so revealing the true nature of the barrow they push.


Excuse me,

Posted on 18-03-2014 09:26 | By robin bell

Just give me a minute------bear with------bear with---ah! thats better,sorry just doing a bit of hand wringing and wailing.So,your all a little upset.Good.What a bunch of thinskinned bullies you really are.Like all of your kind you can give it,but you can't take it.Tuff!If you think I'm bad Mr Guy take a close look at the language used by those you support.Jeromy Murkin,Crazy,Yogi Bear,Jitter,MaryFaith.etc.etc.You condone it because you are part of it.Apologise to the Maori people in general,Awaroa in particular,and I will disappear,just like that.You want these columns back for your unfettered prejudice,ain't gonna happen.Robin Bell.


Mr Guy

Posted on 18-03-2014 09:33 | By Jimmy

"Anonymous commentary is worthless, therefore the people giving it are equally worthless" are you joining in on the insults too? I see Robin is fine hurling personal insults around, simply because someone doesn't agree with him. We all have opinions and perceptions. It is not easy to change anothers perception.


Once again,mr Guy

Posted on 18-03-2014 12:44 | By robin bell

you quote me out of context.Thats a bad habit you have.If an anonymous comment is worthless,which it must be,given the commentator does not have the courage of his/her convictions.Then surely,within the context of the comment the person giving it is also worthless.If it is a simple opinion,not laced with abuse.Then maybe its acceptable,but sadly that is not the case.I simply respond to such abuse mr Guy. Robin Bell


THANKS AGAIN SUNLIVE!

Posted on 18-03-2014 14:49 | By crazyhorse

Jitter is right, we have worn this one out!,"but" look at what we have learned and all the people that made the effort to comment, some getting left mixed with right but having a crack, sticks and stones may break your bones but Bell's sarky and abusive comments mean we are all on the right track,jitters comments on Pharmac policy, Medsafe policy and legislation plus the Health and Disability Ethics Committee legislation and policy was worth the effort for me, I did not realise how "infested" the system had become with the{TOW}!!even medical research, most of the media is "pc" or lefty friendly so we are lucky to have SunLive, make the most of them campers, if your not happy with the aparthied track our country is taking, "vent your spleen" on SunLive.


Murray mumblings

Posted on 18-03-2014 18:33 | By YOGI BEAR

Well Murray that is interesting, like Robin and others they lose the argument on a factual basis so start attacking the person, are you falling into the same trap?


Crazy-horse,

Posted on 19-03-2014 13:00 | By robin bell

You are definately on the"right track"going around and around in circles.Its what most horses do.You of course are the best at it.Now you and your mates have the audacity to tell Brian you've had enough.Its what you lot do best,INTERFERE in other peoples business.Robin Bell.


THANKS AGAIN ROBIN BELL

Posted on 19-03-2014 14:31 | By crazyhorse

With out you a lot of these facts would never come out, this latest letter to the 'ED' has brought more people than ever in to the search for truth and a level playing field for all NZER'S, I take my hat off to you Mr Bell, you said if I, or we apologise you will "disappear" what would we do with out you, Dey stopped because he could see the damage you were doing to yourselves, but not you Robin you truly are a glutton for punishment,Mr Bell, to set the record straight and to let you know you are wanted , I do not wish you to disappear, where would be the 'sport" in that???you are more fun than a barrel full of monkeys!, they make more sense but your still an amusing character!!, thank you.


Thank you Crazy,

Posted on 19-03-2014 15:35 | By robin bell

It is true,more and more people can see a "level playing field" at long last,particularly Maori.It is also true,that more actual facts have been presented,I don't take too much credit,Peter sure was "the man"to discredit you and others.If you like Crazy,I will list some of the "facts"you have presented.It sure is a long list,starting with seashells and ending with Allan Titford and Monica.Just let me know.Robin Bell


Apology

Posted on 19-03-2014 16:36 | By Jitter

I apologise to the Maori people,Awaroa in particular for the bad impression Robin Bell is painting of them as by far the vast majority of them are good understanding people. It is people like Robin Bell who through their biased and twisted view of things cause the problems.


By jingo,Jitter

Posted on 20-03-2014 11:25 | By robin bell

If you chose to play silly games,I suggest you stay consistent.By all means have a crack at me,but to enlist the support of the "vast majority of good and understanding"Maori,is typical of your arrogance.I refer you to your comment on "Unbelievable racism"headed "What Maori"6-3-14.14-47.Have a good read jitts and cringe.You ask the question,Why can't they(Maori)be proud of thier other ancestry.I can tell you from long experience,that most are.However they are Maori with other ancestry,not de-facto europeans with Maori ancestry.Your biased wish,will not be realised,your melting pot mantra.Robin Bell.


Jitter

Posted on 20-03-2014 16:14 | By YOGI BEAR

You have every genuine reason to note the support and opinion of the vast majority, as being what it is. Sadly Robin has displayed somewhat of a rather radical view that is based entirely in the realm of self indulgence. There is no merit in wasting more time on it because of that reason alone.


Round 46 Bell vs Jitts

Posted on 20-03-2014 17:09 | By crazyhorse

Give up will you Robin, it's been done like a dinner, your like a prize fighter who has taken to many hits and doesn't know when to give up, you win champ now how about a lie down and a nice hot cup of tea, you deserve it.


Round 47,Crazy,

Posted on 21-03-2014 11:01 | By robin bell

How philosophical your good mate mr bear is.Lets see now "the vast majority".Do you think he means National,about51%, Labour about 45%=95%?Thats the vast majority, tell him.I can't wait to hear thier response,if or when the racist 1law4all raise thier ugly policies.Iv'e told you before Crazy,you can not have these columns to spread you rubbish,without opposition,sorry.Robin Bell.


Round 46?

Posted on 21-03-2014 14:02 | By YOGI BEAR

More like 466 and counting ... how can someone remain in the ring after 466 knockouts and out cold every time in the first few seconds of every round?


100% Correct

Posted on 23-03-2014 08:42 | By Jitter

Robin Bell has got it right if back to front. They are mostly defacto Maori with mainly European or other ancestry as their majority and some Maori.


Ignorance is bliss,

Posted on 23-03-2014 11:38 | By robin bell

whoever dreamed that saying up,definately had you in mind jitts.How ironic is it that you are so clever,yet you can't stop the process.You are so wise you know nothing about the Maori people.You are so dumb you have to quote me out of context.The tactics of the desperate.Robin Bell.


we must act now

Posted on 23-03-2014 14:13 | By crazyhorse

The majority of New Zealanders, must confirm their worst fears that the Treaty gravy train, already so obnoxious and so unsuccessful in bringing any benefits to ordinary Maori, is only beginning its long profitable journey, and that the choice we face is between derailing it or being derailed ourselves as a coherent, peaceful and prosperous nation.


No money

Posted on 24-03-2014 10:28 | By YOGI BEAR

Jitter in being non Maori these days and while the minority are leeching out as many bits and pieces of advantage the majority have no say in it as all goes on behind closed doors. Such is democracy now as we are starting to know it.


Mis Quotes

Posted on 24-03-2014 15:40 | By Jitter

It is very intersting that Robin Bell misquotes anyone and anything and expects no comment, but when someone else supposedly misquotes him he gets all bitter and twisted.By the way Mr Bell you are not the only person on this earth with a good knowledge of the "Maori" people and their customs.


'whitewash' or a 'brownwash'

Posted on 24-03-2014 17:01 | By crazyhorse

WAHOOO,it's happened Bell just like I said it would, maybe we can bring Dey out of retirement for this,The Kohanga Reo 'whitewash' and Hekia Parata. It's been labeled a 'whitewash' or a 'brownwash' by opposition politicians and many commentators. Whatever the truth, the Government-initiated report released last week about the Kohanga Reo National Trust has certainly not satisfied critics, or killed off the scandal. Instead it has fueled the fire of 'corruption' allegations, calling into question - yet again - the competence of the Minister of Education, and raising further concerns about the National Government's management of 'political sleaze', read all about it campers, heaps of good sites to visit off main article, the game is afoot Mr Bell, don't ya love this ####. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11225357


Bitter and twisted,

Posted on 24-03-2014 21:09 | By robin bell

who me?You've got the wrong man,jitts.I love all people,even those who would deny the rights of others,like you and your friends.Crazy is yahooing as we speak.He thinks there is a "brownwash"going on.That, after it was the Maori Channel who broke the story.He needs to remember,He who laughs last,laughs longest.Whist I'm at it lets look at Democracy C.horse,mr bear,jitter style.You have something we want,we'll just sign you up to a nice little treaty,contract you know the kind of thing.When weve got what you had,and we wanted,rip up the contract,and you get zilch. "Nice" people.Robin Bell.


Brownwasher fiesta

Posted on 25-03-2014 08:56 | By YOGI BEAR

Just another day in paradise .... as said in the song by Dire Straits (name seems appropriate some how?) "Money for nothing and chicks for free". About sums it all up. There is no way around these things for Master Bell! But the story telling about to flow will be interesting to read on where and what wriggle room there is n this. But no worries ... the reply will just say you are all racists, if he replies!


{$92 million} a year

Posted on 25-03-2014 09:31 | By crazyhorse

This "AFFAIR" could threaten the kohanga reo movement's{ $92 million} a year in funding from the Crown, that's us tax payers. Money paid to Te Kohanga Reo National Trust has been loaned to senior managers and board members - including a $160,000 loan in which the collateral was a life insurance policy,, Mrs Parata has backed her officials over the identity of a board member paid $50,000 koha. The trust is refusing to disclose the identity of the recipient, saying only it was a payment for "work over and above on the kohanga reo claim to the"Waitangi Tribunal". Derek Fox refused to say who the payment went to. Mr Fox also refused to say if tax was paid on the koha. "There tends not to be tax paid on" koha" ain't life grand if your on the right team. Find out who got the 50k "all answers will follow!!!!".


{$92 million} a year

Posted on 25-03-2014 12:39 | By YOGI BEAR

Definitely no tax, that is why Koha is paid in cash, but this is especially bad as it is a "SELFE" payment like folks I need a bit a dosh so how about I gift myself a wee bag a the stuff and wander off into the sunset with my new weeding dress, ring, holiday and whatever else takes my fancy. No worries folks they will give us fellas another $92m+ next year and then we can all have another little self-helpee again ...


Now off the Point

Posted on 25-03-2014 14:51 | By carpedeum

While there are many issues being discussed here- many of which are in the minds of most NZers- this article was originally about Special Maori seats on TCC. I personally would be 100% against any race (or religion) based seats becoming available


Krazed Steed Thingy

Posted on 25-03-2014 16:06 | By YOGI BEAR

Exploitation? It always amazes me that the likes of Robin squeal about the injustices of the past singularly from one side of the fence, forgetting then about the terrible atrocities dished out by Maori also at that time. Of course Robin has no link at all to anything back then and in fact his fore-fathers were not even on this side of the planet ... says a lot. Meanwhile Maori are adopting a rather high pedestal approach to how they were "allegedly" treated 1-2 centuries ago yet now they see no problem in doing whatever suits for the almighty dollar via Sealord. The result is obviously ironic isn't it. Of course the ideal of respect, consistency, genuine and a few other things just don't seem to apply anymore.


$50,000 Payment

Posted on 25-03-2014 16:34 | By Jitter

If the $50,000 payment was made for services rendered (and it was, to assist Kohanga Reo with their Waitangi Treaty settlement claim) then it is legally not koha but a fee and should be treated as such. Why will the organisation which paid the fee refuse to name the person it was paid to ? The SFO should be able to find this out anyway.


NOT LOOKING TO HARD

Posted on 25-03-2014 18:41 | By crazyhorse

What I cant understand is how you set up an investigation into an issue, pay someone a rather handsome fee to investigate and then not tell them to look at the actual problem!, the problem clearly { Te Pataka Ohanga,} Kohanga Reo National Trust board member Dame Iritana Tawhiwhirangi said at the time this was "unearthed" that they would look at these "incidents" in their own way in their own time, how arrogant!! and typical, this is just the tip of the ice burg it's going to hit the fan big time for National, it's clear they knew from the start what was going on and turned a blind eye, well that's until Parata turned up and tried to "smooth" things over, remember she agree'd they would not name the recipient of the 50 thousand dollars of "Koha" or as we know it public funds, who's side she on??.


carpedeum

Posted on 25-03-2014 19:21 | By crazyhorse

Your right, this needs to be discussed in the right forum so it can be done properly,now we need that "forum", this is to important not to sort out!.


$50,000 Koha?

Posted on 25-03-2014 22:00 | By YOGI BEAR

Jitter, I don't think that the SFO will be able to find out who as it was all in cash so unless someone spills the beans and to date they have all decided to close ranks (just like the Kohui saga) then the true recipient and purpose will remain a secret. If there is actually nothing dodgy about it then why all the secrets squirrel stuff over it all only creates more suspicion. The smoke n fire then kicks in and the place will have to shut down or change its ways ASAP.


Prejudice,

Posted on 26-03-2014 13:26 | By robin bell

Over his last few comments Yogi"Zheng He"Bear has expressed his prejudice against,anyone who is Maori,anyone who has different sexual preferences to himself,anyone who's ancestors were not on this side of the planet,at the signing of the treaty,In fact anyone he doesn't approve of.Welcome to Tauranga 21st century.Thankfully he represents a tiny,weeny,piddling minority.Robin Bell.


Oh dear Master Bell?

Posted on 26-03-2014 15:12 | By YOGI BEAR

Looks like you have got a bit carried away again. A few correction are necessary of your commentary (again): - (1) General Zheng He is the correct reference, (2) My apologies for making a reference to "other side of the planet" as I understood your origin was the UK and the correct place or desired destination was Australia but you ended up in New Zealand, that seems wrong, looks more like another planet, (3) at no time have I made any personal reference to your person, gender or race, but you have, (4) At no time have I made reference to my NZ indigenous status. (5) Prejudice, I am certainly, against those who do wrong to others knowingly and deliberately, part of that is deception, mistruth and so on almost always intended for self benefit. I have no issue with your skin colour (white/pale/milky) compared to me: golden/lovely/brown.


Deception,mistruth

Posted on 27-03-2014 12:33 | By robin bell

and personal insult.Yogi"Ansell"Bear,has to be congratulated.The efficiency of his personal"SS"is to be commended.His insulting reference to the sexuality,of N.Z.foremost archeologists,Janet Wilmshurst,and the Minister of Maori settlments,is an example of his homophobia.His lack of understanding of Koha and its cultural significance,is proof of his ignorance.The"fact" that he condemns transgressions by Maori,whilst ignoring similar crimes by his own(Titford,3.2 million,and rising,Otago District Health,Purchasing Officer,another few million.Various politicians,credit card abuse)to name a few.Is that proof of his racism?I think so.As for my(white/pale/milky)personage,begs the question,When did Yogi "Zheng He"Bear,last see my Backside or was it the"SS" at work again?Robin Bell.


Master Bell

Posted on 28-03-2014 08:44 | By YOGI BEAR

Looks to me that you are "attacking" the person and this is nice playing nice. If you have something important and factual to say then please to say it on subject, it is not a big ask, it is simple.


Your darned right,

Posted on 28-03-2014 11:08 | By robin bell

mr bear,people like you who constantly attack others,should suffer the same indignity.When it comes to the "subject",you and your racial bias,are it Robin Bell.


ROBIN, You are darned right

Posted on 08-04-2014 11:37 | By YOGI BEAR

You perfectly correct except for the first few words of your blog "mr bear, people like you". Now I did ask that you remain on the subject and not complain about others simply because the view they have is different to you. Come on master Bell please do try and debate the subject and leave personal stuff out of it. We will achieve something good then.


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