Paying the price of honesty

Tauranga City councillor Rick Curach is weathering the storm following the revelation this week that he works less than any other councillor.

At a workshop on councillors' pay rates on Monday, Rick stated he works 22 hours a week on council business and gets paid a salary of $74,171.

Tauranga City Councillor Rick Curach this week revealed he works 22 hours a week for $74,171.

Councillors Murray Guy, Larry Baldock and Tony Christiansen say they work 30-35 hours a week for the same salary.

Rick is saying today that his average takes into account the fact councillors don't work for about 10 weeks of the year.

'There's five weeks over Christmas, there's two weeks during the year which they make sure is free of meetings, and then there is another two or three weeks where just by chance there is no council business,” says Rick.

'So there's about ten weeks in the year that I actually took off, so that brought down the average hours per week.

Rick says he is annoyed he is being criticised for being honest.

'If I didn't average it I could add on 20 per cent. I can't speculate how the others worked out their hours, but I could have thought; ‘Oh well thinking of a busy week, 30-45 hours'.

'I would probably do about 30 hours, but remember for 10 weeks of the year we do no business.”

The work hours are required by the Remuneration Authority, which sets pay levels for councillors.

Each council is allocated an amount which they divide among themselves with committee chairpersons getting extra.

The pool system which has been the way councillors have been paid since 2001, presents some anomalies. Analysis by the Remuneration Authority found a variety of salaries for different councillors and community board members that did not reflect a fair remuneration for the job.

For example Tauranga has ten councillors, a population of 112,600 and a councillor ratio of one per every 11,260 people. Paying the councillors costs $6.68 per head of population.

Christchurch, with 13 councillors, a population of 372,500 and 28,654 people per councillor costs $3.05 per head.

Taxpayers in smaller areas are paying more. Queenstown Lakes has a population of 27,140 served by ten councillors with one councillor for every 2714 people and a cost per person of $12.69.

Wairoa's councillor cost per head is $17.17, and it has a population of 8420, six councillors with one councillor per 1403 of population.

An alternative being considered is a system where the Remuneration Authority will set a base salary for each councillor for each local authority.

The base salary is likely to be based on the job size and the proportion full time that is assessed as being needed for the position's responsibilities to be effectively carried out.

The authority says there are about three different job sizes across all local authorities and the proportion of full time ranges from the equivalent of one day a week on average, to the equivalent of four days a week on average.

The Remuneration Authority survey of sitting councillors was specific about what answers were required, says Rick.

They could include meetings and sub-committee meetings they were sitting on, but no Council Controlled Organisations' meetings where director's fees were being paid or hearings where the councillors are paid.

Formal meetings with council staff could be included as well, but not informal meetings with the public over council issues.

Councillors attending outside meetings or constituency clinics had to be authorised or delegated to attend by the council. Situations like the Mount Ward councillors attending Papamoa Progressive association meetings are not included. But managing email, mail and phones is included.

Tauranga City Council staff say city councillors spend an average of 10 hours a week in council and committee meetings.

'Which I thought was very generous,” says Rick.

Rick says his fellow councillors need to take a better look, and then perhaps their figures would be different.

'All I did was take a fair look at my hours over a whole year,” says Rick. 'I have never been accused of being lazy. I fulfil my duties I have no guilt about not fulfilling my duties, absolutely not.

'The problem is our wages keep going up. We used to only get paid about $30,000 a year and people used to ask what do you do for a job, because it was it obvious it was not enough to pay the bills.

'Back then it was obvious it was a part time job. Then the remuneration authority bolted our wages up and we got rid of about three members. The pool kept going up but the number of councillors was coming down. So our pay shot up.

'There's a public expectation that when pay reaches a certain level, the public expect that to be a full time job.”

These are the hours Tauranga City Councillors say they work each week, and the pay they receive:

Larry Baldock, 35 hours $74,171; Tony Christiansen 35 hours $74,171; Rick Curach, 22 hours, $74,171; Bill Grainger 45-50 hours $74,171; Murray Guy 30 hours, $74,171; Terry Molloy, 45 hours, $74,171; Wayne Moultrie, 45 hours $74,171; Catherine Stewart, 35-40 hours, $74,171.

Deputy mayor David Stewart 45 hours per week, $84,232; Bill Faulkner 45 hours per week, $81,226. They are both committee chairman.

Mayor Stuart Crosby, 50-70 hours $136,700. Stuart's salary is set outside the pool.

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37 comments

To help cost savings councillors should give back some salary

Posted on 13-12-2012 17:31 | By Phailed

I think Rick has been honest and fair enough. But these salaries are very generous. Councillors could donate part (less the tax of course) to the Council. After all if they're cutting staff costs, they should do the same and more with councillor costs.


Councillor's pay

Posted on 13-12-2012 17:35 | By jaydeegee

Councillors should be paid for the hours actually worked. They should clock in and clock out just like any other worker and paid an hourly rate, not an annual salary.


Cr Curach doesn't necessarily work less

Posted on 13-12-2012 17:43 | By Gee Really

How are we to know what hours councillors really put in? Also who's to say that those who spend longer are doing a better job. Maybe Cr Curach is one of a few bright councillors who doesn't need to plod away for hours studying something that tests the intelligence of others?


Define work?

Posted on 13-12-2012 17:44 | By pomfart

I expect a large chunk of Mayor Crosby's 50-70 hours a week (and by the way that is a ridiculous range if asked for an average) is spent hobnobbing and rubbing elbows. Another large chunk will be spent asleep in pointless meetings. Rick probably just sticks to sending unimportant emails that nobody reads, hence the 22 hours.


Tuff at the top huh...

Posted on 13-12-2012 17:51 | By Donnaw

So the majority of them ..... If they're being honest work around 30 hours a week and get paid a damn sight more than most of us that work 40 hours plus and then on top of that 10 weeks holidays compared to our 4 weeks per year......sounds like it really is tuff at the top aye!!! Makes me sick that the rest of us have to work our butts off to pay the bills which includes this lots salaries I suspect, when are we going to all stand up and say enough is enough !!!


efficiency?

Posted on 13-12-2012 19:31 | By Wonkytonk

I for one work hard than some others i work with and therefore do more in less time. Therefore maybe Bill G is just slow and needs the extra time! Maybe they need to do timesheets like the rest of us.


Blah Blah Blah

Posted on 13-12-2012 20:01 | By The Sage

So, "Pick Rick" works 22 hours for $74,000.00 pa. He has tried to justify it in the above blurb however it doesn't wash with me. The Council has just laid odd a lot of employees, "Pick Rick's" wages for 22 hours is probably almost equivalent to two of the staff who were laid off. How do you justify that Rick? If you were in any other position than that of local body or Government, do you really think you would get paid the same? I rest my case. How do you sleep at night?


IMPOSSIBLE TO THAT LOW or THAT HIGH

Posted on 13-12-2012 20:13 | By Investigator

If he attended all the Council meetings and only took a cursory glance at all the bumff plus travelling time it could not be less than 30 to 35 hours per week.I do however look at some of the other claims made and they are way over the top.Friggin ridiculous and a bit of creativity you would have to think.


On the job training

Posted on 13-12-2012 20:16 | By Steve Morris

"Situations like the Mount Ward councillors attending Papamoa Progressive association meetings are not included." - Well I think it should be, we give them a good work out, the councillors get up-skilled and leave the meeting more educated than when they arrived!


Get real

Posted on 13-12-2012 22:04 | By penguin

My heart bleeds for the poor councillor who must find life boring by only working 22 hours per week. He should get a real job, like teaching with its multi-tasking demands, to experience what it is like to earn less than his salary but having to work up to 60-70 hours per week! But he might find that profession far too stressful....


Animal Farm

Posted on 13-12-2012 22:10 | By Captain Sensible

These high salaries, low hours ( with little responsibility ) and long holidays remind me of a book written by George Orwell...."Animal Farm".


At least he is honest

Posted on 13-12-2012 22:33 | By waiknot

I see Deputy Mayor David Stewart claims he works 45 hours a week. So when and how much time does he commit to his other elected pay cheque sorry job with the Health Board


Old fashioned Values!

Posted on 13-12-2012 22:47 | By adyhutch

Back in the day, councillors were paid for the work they put in for the good of the community. Time spent at meetings was paid for at a, per meeting rate. ‘Community work' such as public meetings and clinics were unpaid. But then this was back when councillors took on the role because they wanted to support their community and not sponge as much out of us for the least amount of work possible!


WHAT AN EYEOPENER

Posted on 14-12-2012 07:03 | By waitandwatch

wake up people !.**** great tauranga!!!!!!!


Does Cr Grainger claim he works 45 to 50 hours???

Posted on 14-12-2012 08:45 | By Phailed

I'd like to see a written weekly tally of the hours Bill Grainger says he works on council stuff.


Overpaid!

Posted on 14-12-2012 08:56 | By penguin

My heart bleeds for the poor councillor who must find life boring by only working 22 hours per week. He should get a real job, like teaching with its multi-tasking demands, to experience what it is like to earn less that his salary but having to work up to 60-70 hours per week! But he might find that profession far too stressful....!


No wonder people fight for the job

Posted on 14-12-2012 11:42 | By Gee Really

Just wait and see how many real estate agents run for Council. Also people made redundant from other jobs. Seems like a good lark. I wonder how Rick gets on with the rest of the team now? Is he a whistleblower? Good on him.


roge

Posted on 14-12-2012 12:09 | By Roger

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Not a salary ...

Posted on 14-12-2012 14:29 | By Murray.Guy

City Councillors are not paid a salary. Salary / wage earners get all manner of employee benefits which all come at a price, over and above their actual stated income. City Councillors are 'self-employed' and receive an agreed fixed amount for a three year term, then they are terminated. Councillors provide their own office, associated and necessary office items. Provide a car for work purposes, pay their own ACC. Anybody employee out there that volunteers a pay cut, meets mostly all expenses in the application of their employment - Didn't think so! This debate / discussion demonstrates a total lack of understanding in regard the 'role of an elected member' and the basis for their remuneration. I've just had a chap look at my fridge (making an disturbing noise). 30 minutes later, all sorted, leaving just a bill for $92.00.


@ MURRAY

Posted on 14-12-2012 15:50 | By TERMITE

Come on Murray most of your story there is not true, the rules say it should be a contracted rate but it is not so no ACC bills for you, you get paid every month regardless of how many weeks holiday you have, maybe you don't but most of the Councilors get reimbursed for mileage, printing refills, course fees to get more income from Council and a lot more, the real cost to Ratepayers when all the bits are added up would double the cost to ratepayers. That's before think at all about the bad decisions that are made and what they cost every day.


HONEST RICK

Posted on 14-12-2012 15:54 | By TERMITE

Well that is true, so I don't need to see his timesheet, but I would love to see the Mayors, Bill and David Stewart's no way can this lot rack up that many hours of anything useful. Below someone said they are just slower and older would be the only reason they think they are working but really they are just forgotting to take off the Napping time, there is a lot of that.


@ Murray Guy

Posted on 14-12-2012 16:50 | By Captain Sensible

The man that fixed your fridge: a) is responsible and if he has not fixed it, will likely do extra work to fix properly at no charge to you. b)Has not got his company into $450 million debt c)Is responsible for debt he brings on the company and would have been fired a long time ago when his incompetency was noticed. Councillors also get free trips, and one of the rorts is the "Sister City" scam where us ratepayers do not pay for your trips, but only for the Sister City councillors who arrive en masse. The 'sister city' ratepayers kop your trip and expenses. Recently a councillor from TCC went to Queenstown (? I think it was Queenstown) for a council junket where all the councillors gathered there decided to oppose the govt recomendation on councils sticking to core essentials in a bid to stop the rising debt coming from these uncontrollable councils in freefall debt. And the TCC rep opposed it!!!!!


Get facts straight Murray

Posted on 14-12-2012 17:07 | By penguin

murray.guy - it would be very wise of you to get your facts straight before you reef off about the so-called "perks" that you suggest that salary earners get (your quote: Salary / wage earners get all manner of employee benefits which all come at a price, over and above their actual stated income.) I have been self employed, unemployed,worked for government and, yes, even a local authority. I can categorically state that there were no "perks" in any of those jobs. So, be careful lest you make a fool of yourself!


My heart bleeds for Cr Guy

Posted on 14-12-2012 19:25 | By Phailed

Must be tough getting a "payment" (not a salary of course) for the hours put in that seem less than the average worker. Does Cr Guy support the cutting staff thing? If so how about councillors leading the way by sacrificing back some of their "payment"? Also a saving I would think.


Termite, send me your email ...

Posted on 15-12-2012 11:20 | By Murray.Guy

Termite says, "Come on Murray most of your story there is not true, the rules say it should be a contracted rate but it is not so no ACC bills for you." Termite sadly reflects the integrity of many postings, very little or nil. Termite, send me your email and I'll send you the next ACC bill (it's in the region of $2000 from memory) - then you might consider a retraction (Tui addv).


Free

Posted on 15-12-2012 14:07 | By Capt_Kaveman

i hate also the free council cars in private use


Selective

Posted on 15-12-2012 17:21 | By penguin

Notice how Murray Guy has dodged commenting on some of the other issues raised......


@ PENGIUN

Posted on 19-12-2012 12:40 | By YOGI

Of course, it is like a hot potato, to hot to handle so avoid it at all costs, pretend it is not there and does not exist.


TIME SHEETS

Posted on 21-12-2012 17:53 | By PLONKER

Where are they, I would say that none of them would have more than 22 hours on them, so that makes Rick the only one telling the truth about it all.


PAYING THE PRICE

Posted on 28-12-2012 12:06 | By Crash test dummies

Yes, in politics it is far better to figure out what the punters want to hear and then word it nicely so s to keep the mushrooms warm and happy for now ...


Agree with the above but offer a suggestion

Posted on 28-12-2012 18:35 | By Tgaboy

I agree with all the above comments by those above offering that they work longer hours for less pay in their respective jobs and are understandably miffed. But here's a suggestion - next time council is being re-elected, those griping above could run for it themselves and possibky get the job of their dreams. But, I'm guessing, they probably won't.


@ TGA BOY

Posted on 01-01-2013 18:48 | By PLONKER

I agree with you however most are not able to go to be elected, just a few. The rest of us expressing our feelings and thoughts on it is the only way we can have some say in it all. Personally I respect Rick for having written the truth, that just shows up the rest for what they really are, no exceptions sadly for the rest of them.


MAYOR CROSBY

Posted on 02-01-2013 15:04 | By YOGI

$137,000pa and he says should be working full time at TCC, but doesn't the Mayor also sit on the Rotorua Airport as a director? So above says 50-70 hours for the Mayor, so how many hours does he spend in Rotorua, on the hours above that is going to be 20-30 hours there to and travel also. No wonder the Mayor took the vehicle deal allowance so as not to use the TCC Mayoral vehicle for other than TCC business.


BETTER DEAL FOR RATEPAYERS

Posted on 03-01-2013 11:19 | By YOGI

Make 1/2 of them redundant immediately, double the pay and replace the other half with someone competent.


PICK RICK

Posted on 04-01-2013 21:11 | By PLONKER

Cos no one else will now, he has broken ranks and shown up all the rest for FITH over stating the hours, the truth is out now. Thick Rick for doing this has to be admired for telling the truth.


Chicken legs RIC old buddy

Posted on 04-01-2013 21:17 | By POCO O POCO

Wibble Wobble man has spilled the beans on the lives and times of TCC elected members. Surprised if even 20 hours per week spent on the job by anyone of them judging by the stream crap that comes out of City Hall.


REPORT CORRECTION

Posted on 10-01-2013 17:16 | By PLONKER

The heading should read ... "UNQUIE: efficent councillor" Gets his work doen in 22 hours, all the rest take 30-70 hours to achieve less than that.


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