Petition to make English language official

Why is Te Reo Maori an official language of New Zealand and enjoying special privileges when English, spoken by about 96 per cent of all New Zealanders, is not?

That, according to Robin Bishop of Pyes Pa, 'is a wrong” and she insists it needs 'putting right”.


'Righting a wrong' – Wendy Stringfield and Robin Bishop with the petition. Photo: Chris Callinan.

'This is not anti-Maori, it is not anti-anything – New Zealand English needs elevating to the same official status accorded Maori,” says Robin. 'It is just something that needs correcting.”

And Robin's pursuing it all the way to the House of Representatives. She's launched a petition to ensure English is legislated as an official language along with Te Reo Maori and New Zealand Sign Language.

She started her campaign with the signatures of four workmates – while political heavyweight Tauranga MP Simon Bridges has agreed to present the petition to parliament.

When Robin got wind of the status of English she wrote to the government, and researchers at parliament's library were assigned the case.

'It seems you were right,” they told Robin. 'There is no legislation that enshrines English as an official language.”

It seems its status as an official language is based only on custom and practice.

Isn't that enough? English is not under threat, nor undervalued. Shouldn't we leave well alone?

'No,” she says. 'English should rightfully be given the same status as Maori and sign language.

'The English language is of so much value. It's the language most of us use every day in general conversation, commerce, parliament and local government, the media and court proceedings.

'It's an international language,” says Robin. And so she believes it deserves official, legislated recognition.

She insists she's not 'playing the race card” – and couldn't imagine anyone not wanting to sign her petition. 'If a Maori chose not to sign my petition, I would wish them a good day,” she adds.

In fact, Maori may be indifferent to the proposal.

Garrick Cooper is a lecturer in Te Reo at Canterbury University and believes the petition is largely ideological.

'English is alive and well in public life,” says Garrick, and there's no imperative to provide legislative support.

'However, language revitalisation experts argue increasing the status of a language under threat improves its chances of survival – hence the Maori Language Act.”

Thirty years ago the Waitangi Tribunal was told Te Reo was a taonga, a national treasure, and the Government had a particular responsibility to protect and promote Maori under the terms of the Treaty.

The Maori Language Act became law in 1987. It made Maori an official language to secure it as a living language with special privileges.

That meant people were given the lawful right to speak in Maori, it could be used in legal proceedings and an interpreter would be on hand in parliament should an MP wish to speak Maori.

Plus, most government agencies were given bilingual names, NZ Post recognised Maori place names, and Maori was taught in most schools and there are Māori immersion facilities at many schools.

Isn't this the story of the decline and revival of our indigenous language, a beautiful one that sets us apart, that identifies all New Zealanders?

'Well I don't feel that,” says Robin. 'Although, I do use some Maori words and I do like poi dances, they're clever.”

The other official language is NZ Sign Language, a unique and natural language of the deaf community and used by more than 20,000 New Zealanders.

'Okay,” says Robin. 'But they are all equal and should all enjoy the same official status.”

Robin's feisty and a thinker. 'I am aware,” she adds.

Her last public foray on a race-based issue was challenging Dr Gareth Morgan in letters to the editor over his call for Pakeha to 'make good on the intent of the Treaty of Waitangi – including compulsory Te Reo in all primary schools”.

She leapt into print from Pyes Pa. 'Remarkably uninformed,” she called him.

'Te Reo is there if they want it, but you have to want to learn it. It should not be compulsory.” She suggests the right place to learn Te Reo is on the marae.

'Pakeha nearly exterminated Maori,” said Morgan, the businessman and economist.

'Certainly,” agreed Robin. But after consulting the history books she has a different take on history.

'The cause of the near extermination was brutal tribe-on-tribe fighting.”

Robin is an inveterate writer on anything that pushes her buttons – from jandal fences to plastic waka.

She has an 'informed opinion”. 'I see something I don't think is right, I research and then I fire off a letter,” she says.

Robin says she'll be around town and in the suburbs collecting signatures. She already has helpers to assist gathering support for her petition.

If you'd like to join the campaign contact Robin at: petition@inbox.com or call: 027 233 1595.

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101 comments

ENGLISH

Posted on 12-02-2015 13:38 | By surfsup

Perhaps we could also ask the powers that be why maori students get more ncea credits taking their language than students taking English get


brutal tribe-on-tribe fighting

Posted on 12-02-2015 15:26 | By YOGI BEAR

Yeah that is about right.


surfsup

Posted on 12-02-2015 15:29 | By YOGI BEAR

The reason that Maori students get more NCEA credits is because that is the easiest way to ensure a few pass. It is of course a race based privilege and should be viewed for what it actually is, no different to imposing a quota on the portion of Maori students in any particular subject in Tertiary institutions. it is apartheid, plain, simple.


Absolutely and should have been dealt with 40years ago !!

Posted on 12-02-2015 15:49 | By ROCCO

I think the reporters prejudice and bias is showing through here.If there is some problem with having English confirmed in law along with maori and sign language as an official NZ language then just front and say so- don't go skivving off to some fawning university lecturer to throw cold water on it.'He pounamu kakano rua'


My view

Posted on 12-02-2015 17:31 | By My View

I will be signing. Good for you Robyn.


Get real

Posted on 12-02-2015 23:09 | By awaroa

Robin. Research isn't what you do. Informed isn't what you are. A thinker - if you say so but certainly not a lateral thinker. Seems like you have nothing better to do and plenty of time to do it in. And for the other commentors, what's so unjust with one NZCEA subject bring worth more credits than another? Again, no lateral thinkers here - not even decent people.


Funny really

Posted on 12-02-2015 23:28 | By Bobby

This really shows that the law is an ass. Pretty much everyone in this country understands English, as do most in the developed world...


A useful second language

Posted on 12-02-2015 23:35 | By Bobby

To learn is mandarin, spoken by far more people as a first language than maori, look to the future, not the past...


It's amazing

Posted on 13-02-2015 09:04 | By Fonzie

That English was not made an official language at the same time Maori was An intentional oversight perhaps ? No they wouldn't be that devious would they ?


Get Real

Posted on 13-02-2015 11:36 | By surfsup

These topics are always good as you will always get people like awaroa who make comments that defy belief,You see awaroa when you allow one group of students to get extra marks for studying their own language quite rightly students who therefore study English get upset as I'm sure the maori students would if the shoe was on the other foot.Sadly it's people like you that seem to have a belief that maori cannot make it in this world whether at school or in the workplace without extra benefits, to the best of my knowledge no study has shown that the maori brain is any different, it is therefore the attitude.


Hard to Believe!

Posted on 13-02-2015 13:41 | By Mackka

I find it hard to believe that English is not an official language of NZ!! However having done some research myself - this is indeed a fact!! It has never been recognised by law - just taken for granted by all. Good on Robyn for pursuing this fact - however it should not need a private person to undertake a petition when it is obvious that the government should be correcting the anomaly immediately! As for the poppy-cock being spouted by Cooper and Morgan (above), what a load of racist bull ...t !!


petition to make English language recognised

Posted on 13-02-2015 15:00 | By Lyn Jarman

English is taught in all schools while te reo is not so I am at a loss to know from Robin what "special privileges" she thinks te reo is receiving. Does she also think the same about Sign Language?


One cause leads to another,

Posted on 14-02-2015 09:06 | By robin bell

eh!! Robyn. What an absolute waste of time and taxpayers money. Taking a swipe at Maori is the name of your game,evidenced by the opening sentence of this article. Good "luck", there will surely be lots more super important issues for you to deal to. Robin Bell.


Robin Bell

Posted on 14-02-2015 11:05 | By surfsup

Waste of taxpayers money mmmmm I would think the Waitangi Tribunal soaks up a lot more taxpayers money than this petition will.Whoops there we go again another redneck having a dig at the most racist and biased entity in NZ.


The point of difference..

Posted on 14-02-2015 23:27 | By awaroa

Surfsup is English is compulsory while Reo Maori isn't. Non-Maori have a choice. Maori students don't. This Maori never got more credits than the next non-Maori but I did end up with a postgraduate degree and many offers to do my PhD. Clearly your unhappy with the education system. Perhaps do what Robin does.. See it, research it & fire off a letter - best of luck with that.


Maori

Posted on 15-02-2015 07:46 | By Fonzie

Is an officially recognised Nz language and English is not That seems like a special privilege to me Should be equal statis surely


Common language

Posted on 15-02-2015 09:03 | By Orite

The simple message here is that apparently our COMMON language is not official - one would expect it to be? Robin has bravely brought this oversight to our attention and it is up to us New Zealanders to sign and support the petition to correct it.


Point of difference

Posted on 15-02-2015 20:35 | By surfsup

Really don't need to research awaroa as I'm in the system and witness 1st hand how the system bends over backwards for maori students. Obviously you like so many maori have gone through the system and come out the other side on top, my question to you then is very simple, if you can do it without help why does the system need to be changed. Congratulations on all you have achieved.


supporting Robin

Posted on 22-02-2015 12:05 | By ianbarbara@xtra.co.nz

Maori was never an "official" language of NZ after New Zealand came under british rule and therefore needed legislation to make it "official.We should have it recognised on our statute books as "official" to keep it in line with Maori, This has nothing to do with separatism or been racist its about been equal under the Treaty of Waitangi. Go for it Robin and the best of luck i will be getting people to sign it. Ian Brougham Wanganui


Surfsup,

Posted on 23-02-2015 11:53 | By robin bell

listen to the experts for a change. In this case Garrick Cooper lecturer in languages Canterbury. It is ALL about the recognition and revival of Te Reo, which was and still is actively discouraged. Robin Bishop may well feel "Put out" but action of this kind will make absolutely no difference to the "recognition" of English. To compare this waste of time and energy to the Waitangi Tribunal is pure nonsense. Robin Bell.


Yeah, Nah

Posted on 23-02-2015 12:40 | By Woody19

How ludicrous.


Hey Ding Dong

Posted on 25-02-2015 14:43 | By Mackka

What are you so afraid of ??


Certainly not you macca.

Posted on 25-02-2015 16:42 | By robin bell

As Eric Hoffer so rightly said, Insult is the WEAK mans expression of strength. Seems to fit you perfectly mac. Robin Bell.


Robin - please Explain

Posted on 25-02-2015 18:13 | By Mackka

I certainly wouldn't expect you to be afraid of me Robin. The idea is laughable. You are using aggression as a form of defence rather than giving me an answer to my question! I will rephrase the question - Why do you feel so threatened, and why are you so against 'English' being recognized as an official language of NZ? Please - a straight answer this time!


A small breakthrough,

Posted on 25-02-2015 19:11 | By robin bell

Macca has dropped the insult. I should explain macca, that when you have the name Bell, you quickly become immune to the insults directed at it. To answer your now 2 questions, 1. I have no fear regarding the subject of justice for the indigenous people of New Zealand. Much to the chagrin of you and a few others, I simply think it important, as a Pakeha, to oppose mindless prejudice. 2. When people who constantly criticise government spending, feel the need to waste money on something so unnecessary as formal recognition of our common language, whilst using the opportunity to yet again insult Maori,is all I need. Robin Bell.


@ robin bell

Posted on 26-02-2015 14:06 | By Captain Sensible

The word 'indigenous' does not apply to maori. They spoke of the white people here before them when Cook arrived. Their legends talk of fair skinned people here before them. So how then can maori be "indigenous"? ( or is that an inconvenient truth that you chose to ignore?)


Captain Sensible

Posted on 27-02-2015 00:31 | By YOGI BEAR

Absolutely correct, there were at least seven of cultures here in NZ before Maori (pacific islanders really) were dropped off by general Zheng He in the late 1300's, of course to be realistic there is no way Maori could even have floated here on a log or two, navigation was basically drift into the wind and if that does not work then the wind will eventually blow us home. that is not navigation. In essence the trade wind are and always have blown the wrong way to consider that as even a possibility. So sir, good on you for pointing out the obvious to the meek and simple to help them get into the real world, they will squirm and wriggle until the intellect catches up.


Accidential

Posted on 27-02-2015 14:19 | By YOGI BEAR

Maori hitched a ride unwillingly but without option and ended up in NZ, that is not indigenous in any respect. Even Maori (the realistic ones) know and admit Maori were not first to NZ. Plan and simple, all the evidence and facts 100% supports this.


Makka

Posted on 27-02-2015 19:28 | By YOGI BEAR

You are not quite right there, the question for Robin to dwell on is "Why do you feel so threatened, and why are you so against 'English' being recognized as the official language of NZ? Which it is and will always be.


Pakeha nearly exterminated Maori?

Posted on 01-03-2015 10:15 | By YOGI BEAR

Now there is a fabrication, it was the Maori tribes who were beating down any door to get guns or muskets to then go raid the neighboring tribes. There was one massacre after another, not quite sure how Non Maori otherwise were involved.


Pakeha nearly exterminated Maori?

Posted on 01-03-2015 10:15 | By YOGI BEAR

Now there is a fabrication, it was the Maori tribes who were beating down any door to get guns or muskets to then go raid the neighboring tribes. There was one massacre after another, not quite sure how Non Maori otherwise were involved.


One day

Posted on 03-03-2015 15:55 | By Kiritiwa

If one day the English language is prevented from being spoken by those who wish to speak it, if they are punished physically for speaking it, if the number of native speakers are so low that the language is at risk of being lost - then I will happily sign a petition like the one proffered by Robin Bishop. If as Robin suggests, English needs to have the same status as Te Reo Maori, does that then mean that Te Reo Maori will be compulsory study for secondary school students in the same manner English currently is? If equality is the aim, then lets walk the talk


Kiritiwa,

Posted on 04-03-2015 08:13 | By robin bell

great comment. The problem here is that Robin Bishop,like a few others has been seduced by a constant drip feed of racially based misinformation. Just try and make sense of the rubbish by yogi bear,cap'n -------, etc. The prejudice they display is derived from, and reinforced by literature by authors of pseudo history,that they are desperate to see replace the truth. Authors like Gavin Menzies who claimed (among other things) that Zheng He not only discovered N.Z.but the whole world,and triggered the Italian renaissance.All of it totally discredited by legitimate historians.Even Menzies admits he can prove nothing.Eventually they will all fade away.Good luck. Robin Bell.


MORE BS

Posted on 04-03-2015 21:20 | By crazyhorse

Maori not European wanted english spoken in schools as in their own education, they were trying to get ahead look to the future, Maori could "see the future". Now very part maori see their future in the past, the "made" up past. Even your revisionist historians wont "LIE"ABOUT THIS, IT IS FACT. Visit this site. http://nzetc.victoria.ac.nz/tm/scholarly/tei-BIM873TeHa-t1-g1-t2.html Troughers hate the truth, its like a cross to a vampire.


Robin has got it right

Posted on 05-03-2015 11:05 | By YOGI BEAR

"Bishop" that is. That this should happen, English is a lot more important than Maori for all NZers, it is a language of the world, Maori is but for a handful of the faithful to preserve if they wish.


CRAZYHORSE, you have a real problem

Posted on 05-03-2015 21:41 | By Peter Dey

crazyhorse produces a steady stream of abuse against what he calls troughers, and yet from his own figures the cost of special Maori programmes is $1 billion per year. This is 1% of government spending, and Maori make up 15% of the population. The word troughing is just mindless abuse totally unjustified by the figures. Crazyhorse is very angry about Maori getting justice and a fair share of New Zealand's prosperity, but his belief that Maori are getting more than their fair share has never been proven by any figures that he has produced.


CRAZYHORSE, you have a real problem

Posted on 06-03-2015 10:06 | By crazyhorse

Yeah I do, just answer the question, people are again talking about the wicked white settlers, this time beating the maori language out of children at school,its a real easy question Peter, who wanted maori children to speak english, not maori at school,that's back in the "good" old days, lets see if "once" we will get a straight answer!.


Crazyhorses problem is,

Posted on 06-03-2015 12:33 | By robin bell

that he is incapable of finding the middle ground. His prejudice simply doesn't allow it. He overlooks the abuse that the education system was guilty of, when beating the Maori language out of the children. A more enlightened system would have taught the children both languages. He should ask himself, why do innocent people sometimes plead guilty to a crime? Answer, to end the misery. That is where early 20th century Maori found themselves, totally dominated by a culture they could not compete with. Now they can, and crazy can't stand it. HIS PROBLEM, THAT HE SEEKS TO TRANSFER TO AS MANY AS POSSIBLE. Robin Bell.


More confusion from crazyhorse

Posted on 06-03-2015 12:35 | By Peter Dey

crazyhorse is pretending that what Maori leaders wanted for their children in Maori schools was the same for all schools and all children and all Maori leaders. Some Maori leaders wanted their children to use only English at school. They did not say they wanted their children to be forbidden to use Maori language or to be strapped if they did. They obviously wanted their children to keep the Maori language alive. However many Pakeha in the school system and Pakeha politicians believed that Maori should assimilate, become brown Pakeha, and lose their Maori language and customs. That was not what Maori leaders wanted.


CRAZYHORSE, you have a real problem

Posted on 06-03-2015 12:42 | By YOGI BEAR

yes indeed you do, you are and have always been right and Robin and Peter just don't like that now do they.


Robin Bell

Posted on 06-03-2015 14:28 | By Kiritiwa

Thank you for your thoughts, much appreciated and I know where you're coming from in regards to some of the other commenters. I've seen enough of these threads to understand how stuck in their views those people are - that's their right, as it is mine to have a good laugh/shake my head at them. I've had my say and will now happily move on. Regards K


The Robin and Peter show

Posted on 06-03-2015 15:18 | By YOGI BEAR

Thank you for your thoughts, much appreciated and I know where you're coming from in regards, your views, you are very predictable indeed. I've seen enough of your threads to understand how stuck in your views you are. Its crazy but your right to be so, as it is mine to have a good laugh/shake my head at you. I've had my say and will now happily carry on doing so knowing one gone two to go,


OMG

Posted on 07-03-2015 12:49 | By Fierce_Mama

Why does there have to be such a big drama over a language that is AUTOMATICALLY the chosen first language of most New Zealanders REGARDLESS of race? English is a compulsary subject at school, whereas Maori is an elective. To say that Te Reo should only be taught on a Marae is an ignorant and offensive statement, not every Maori has knowledge of their Marae, or access to 1. It should be a choice. The only reason the Maori language has been given "special status" is because of the very real threat of it 'dying' out, the English language isnt 'going' anywhere as it is too much an established language in New Zealand and internatonally. Languages are protected within countries of origin like native 'endangered' species of different countries, because they are endangered, not because they are the majority and unthreatened. Get a real issue to "petition" about.


crazyhorse, individual facts alone prove nothing

Posted on 07-03-2015 21:07 | By Peter Dey

crazyhorse jumps from the fact that some Maori leaders wanted Maori children to speak only Maori at school, to the conclusion that all Maori leaders wanted all Maori children to be forbidden to speak Maori at school, and to be severely punished if they did. His conclusion is not based on any logical reasoning at all. Crazyhorse regularly takes a fact of some wrongdoing by Maori, and then concludes that Maori leaders are in a grab for wealth and power, without providing any logical reasoning for his conclusion. Abusive language is not logical reasoning.


crazyhorse, correction

Posted on 08-03-2015 10:48 | By Peter Dey

A careless slip in my previous comment. I meant to write that some Maori leaders wanted Maori children to speak only English at school.


Fierce_Mama

Posted on 08-03-2015 11:56 | By YOGI BEAR

You are very much correct on the English language status, it will be the world language, ironically not recognized in NZ as a language. The part Maori language (better described as 'ex' pacific island) is a mix of many former and lost dialects. End result the part Maori language will disappear in time as the part Maori disappear over time in the near future. Many a Maori is at absolute best 35-40% Maori (really ex islander), this is the irony of the current situation indeed.


Congradualtions Peter

Posted on 08-03-2015 11:58 | By YOGI BEAR

You are recording that what Crazed Steed is saying is a "fact". Least we forget of course, that you yourself have recorded that everything you say is a myth and legend and that they are all made up, changed regularly by the storyteller and mean absolutely nothing, these are your words.


Dey is Airy Fairy

Posted on 08-03-2015 12:13 | By crazyhorse

Some Maori leaders want this, some Maori leaders want That!. Everyone that sends their children to school wants something for them, ""know one" gets exactly what they want,the majority of Maori back after the treaty was signed could see the value of good education and speaking English, a lot of Maori parents back then didn't even allow Maori to be spoken in the home. Now more than ever a good education counts in getting on in life. Think about how hard it will be for Maori who go to Kohanga reo to get the education they need to join a modern work force, it's as though the tribal elite want to slow the education of their peoples children down for their own "gains". Another thing Peter, Only some the Maori elite are "troughers", the majority of treaty troughers are white as!, example Honest Jeff Palmer, Mae Chen,""TROUGHERS"".


MAORI

Posted on 08-03-2015 12:18 | By crazyhorse

The Treaty settlement process has delivered bugger-all for most Maori. despite the transfer of hundreds of millions of dollars of assets to Maori tribal organisations over the last few decades, this reality of inequality between Maori and non-Maori continues unabated. And also, despite the failures of Treaty settlements to improve the material position of the majority of Maori, advocates of Treaty politics would have us believe that the solution for Maori ills still lies in the continued empowering of iwi-tribal Maori organisations. the Treaty settlements process has led to the creation of a new Maori economic elite who manage millions of dollars of resources held by tribal organisations. what that has led to is the rise of a significant wealth gap between a new wealthy Maori class and the rest. The rise of the "TREATY TROUGHERS!.


Rich Maori getting richer;

Posted on 08-03-2015 12:21 | By crazyhorse

Rich Maori getting richer; working class Maori getting poorer. The fact is that the Treaty settlement process has failed to benefit most Maori. Rather than solve the problem of inequality between Maori and non-Maori, what the Treaty settlement process has led to is the rise of a significant wealth gap between a new wealthy Maori class and the rest. Dr Evan Te Atu Poata-Smith has highlighted this new phenomenon in his recent research on the economic position of Maori in New Zealand: Poata-Smith argues that this increasing income gap within Maoridom itself brings into question the direction of Maori social and economic development over the last few years. which Maori are benefiting from current ideas of Maori development, which Maori are becoming further disenfranchised and marginalised. Clearly Poata-Smith's critique is a damning indictment on Treaty politics, which has benefited a few and left the majority of Maori economically "nothing".


crazyhorse, you confuse assets and earnings

Posted on 08-03-2015 14:59 | By Peter Dey

crazyhorse, Treaty settlements have not provided Maori with hundreds of millions of dollars to spend. It is only the earnings from Treaty settlements that can be spent. And even then Maori do not want to spend all the earnings from assets. They need to build up these assets to be secure in the future. This means that Treaty settlements have to be invested very cautiously. Crazyhorse again is trying to fool people with misinformation. Treaty settlements of hundreds of millions of dollars have to be invested wisely. They are not available to be spent. If there is a widening gap between rich and poor Maori it will be because there is an increasing number of highly qualified Maori earning good incomes. All people on low incomes are at present suffering from Government economic policies that penalise the poor.


crazyhorse, investment and not handouts is wisdom

Posted on 08-03-2015 15:27 | By Peter Dey

Crazyhorse makes it clear that if he was in charge of Treaty settlements, that a large part of the settlement money would be given away in handouts to Maori poor. He criticises Maori leaders for not doing this. The fact that Maori leaders are investing Treaty settlements for the future and not spending up large on handouts means that they are in fact wise and crazyhorse is not.


crazyhorse, Maori education is producing more wealthy Maori

Posted on 08-03-2015 16:33 | By Peter Dey

crazyhorse is contradicting himself. On the one hand he says that there are more wealthy Maori people. On the other hand he says that Maori education is not working. The simple fact is that Maori education is producing more qualified Maori people who are earning more and getting more wealthy.


crazyhorse is a Pakeha trougher

Posted on 08-03-2015 17:05 | By Peter Dey

crazyhorse is still in denial over the fact that Treaty settlements return less than 10% of what was wrongfully taken from Maori iwi; that Treaty settlements total about 2 billion dollars so the Government still has 18 billion dollars in the bank wrongfully taken from Maori iwi. Pakeha troughers like crazyhorse think that that is perfectly alright. Crazyhorse has a great deal to say about Treaty settlements. He is hypocritical when he accuses Maori of Treaty troughing but ignores Pakeha Treaty troughing.


The Crazed Steed

Posted on 08-03-2015 18:03 | By YOGI BEAR

3-3 there mate, agree with all you have said, it is just obvious, I know you should not have to state the obvious but clearly that is required with the likes of the Pete and Robin show. Keep up the good work, they are cracking under the mountain of facts and proof of deceit, self interest and fabrication that has befallen the NZ taxpayer. The consequences will not be good for the majority of part Maori who will not see a bean. But I guess it all feels lovely and wonderful while the mega rich few "Troughers" travel the globe in luxury.


Dr Evan Te Atu Poata-Smith the truth.

Posted on 08-03-2015 21:28 | By robin bell

In quoting Dr Poata- Smith out of context, crazyhorse once again shows his desperation. In the first instance Dr Poata-Smiths research examines the different ways Maori life experiences have been shaped through the complex articulations of racism,colonialism,ethnicity,class and gender.He explores how how such notions of authenticity empowers some Maori while disenfrachising others.His research mirrors that of social engineers worldwide.Crazyhorse shows his ignorance of Maori affairs when claiming the settlement process is unfair,time will tell the truth. Perhaps he could explain why he singles out the Maori people in his vitriolic, obsessive criticism of these inevitable social changes. Robin Bell.


ONCE MORE 4 DING DONG

Posted on 09-03-2015 08:55 | By crazyhorse

Quote the culturally hypnotised Bell. { Perhaps he could explain why he singles out the Maori people in his vitriolic, obsessive criticism of these inevitable social changes. Robin Bell.} Anyone else that reads these threads can see I do not pick on maori people, I "talk" about {treaty troughers}, unfortunately for you me old mate, the majority of them are not "Maori", unless we are talking about the "elite" you know them Robby, work your way onto a board or K1W1 funded program like Kohanga reo and suck the guts out of it money wise, I think the most disgusting of treaty troughers are the people that are suppose to look after money given to a tribe from a TOW claim and blow the lot on themselves, wages, Koha, cars. Been a couple of them in the last 18 months why don't you tell us about them???.


IWI BLAZING A TRAIL?

Posted on 09-03-2015 09:07 | By crazyhorse

Prospects appear even brighter for Maori economic renaissance Selwyn Hayes runs EY Tahi, a Maori-focused advisory service and he has big expectations for the Maori economy, now estimated to be worth about "$40 billion". That could grow to more than $100 billion in the next few years, he estimates. In the meantime, other iwi can take heart from the progress of Aotearoa's biggest iwi powerhouses Ngai Tahu, Waikato Tainui and Ngati Whatua Orakei,AND AS NO TAX IS PAYED "THE SKY IS THE LIMIT".


How Greedy!

Posted on 09-03-2015 09:24 | By crazyhorse

Some people say the settlements that Maori are getting are only a shadow of what they should be receiving. For instance, Ngai Tahu spokespeople continue to say they "lost" $12- billion worth of assets and accepted as a compensation $170-million. But Ngai Tahu forebears sold most of the 15,121,483 hectare South Island in 10 deals over 20 years from 1844 for a total of ?14,750. Fewer than 2000 Ngai Tahu lived mostly south of the Waitaki River, according to a census in 1844. SO a group of tribespeople that could probably fit into a large high school's assembly hall managed to assert ownership over most of the South Island, much of which they had "never seen let alone set foot upon it". The payments appeared to be satisfactory at the time because this group of people kept doing these deals for 20 years, TROUGHING?


Captain Sensible ignores scientific evidence

Posted on 09-03-2015 10:57 | By Peter Dey

Captain Sensible again says that Maori are not indigenous. He refers to Maori myths of fair skinned people here before Maori arrived. Modern science now shows that myths are fiction not scientific fact. Modern DNA science is now proving the innocence of people wrongly convicted of crimes they did not commit. Modern radiocarbon science now shows that Maori were the first settlers in new Zealand about 1250Ad, and there was nobody settled here before Maori arrived. The research by Janet Wilmshurst, published by the US National Academy of Sciences in 2011, is available on the internet to verify this.


Dr Evan Te Atu Poata-Smith the truth

Posted on 09-03-2015 11:06 | By YOGI BEAR

has gone missing in action ... the reality here is that the ramblings are just that and nothing more. Bottom line is that the status of part Maori is as a direct result of primarily the decisions of part Maori leadership over a long period of time. Simple examples include: - selling the lands then and now claiming it all back, shooting each other and blaming the English ... how bad is that and after all goes west then blame everyone else for it and then quick as lightning the hand is out again, perhaps for the seventh time "full and final" settlement. It is all laughable, the credibility goes west and never will come back, Robin you expect everyone to take you seriously in these circumstances. Perhaps you should seek a few words of wisdom from your mate Peter, start with the part Maori myths and legends.


Robin Bishop, English is an official language

Posted on 09-03-2015 14:08 | By Peter Dey

Robin Bishop is confused when she claims that English is not an official language of New Zealand. English is used for all proceedings in Parliament and all official documents. It is clearly an official language of New Zealand. It does not require a law to make English official. It already is. It required a law to make Maori official. Before Maori was made official it was discriminated against because people were not always allowed to use Maori language. Making Maori language official removed discrimination. It is not a privilege to have discrimination removed. It is fairness. Fairness is not privilege.


Robin Bishop

Posted on 09-03-2015 16:51 | By Woody19

is definitely confused!


crazyhorse, the Tribunal disproved your evidence

Posted on 09-03-2015 17:14 | By Peter Dey

The Government accepted the Waitangi Tribunal's reasons for accepting the Ngai Tahu Treaty claim, and paid out $170 million to Ngai Tahu. Crazyhorse believes that the Government made a mistake but crazyhorse does not have credible support from any recognised historian. Crazyhorse appears motivated by resentment of Maori progress and not by any credible evidence. No reputable historian has challenged Treaty settlements. Crazyhorse criticizes details of settlements as though finding fault with one detail negates a whole settlement. Crazyhorse has not yet produced any credible reasons to show that Treaty settlements are not valid.


Robin Bishop misunderstands privilege

Posted on 09-03-2015 17:28 | By Peter Dey

Robin Bishop does not seem to understand that discrimination removed is not equivalent to privilege. At one time Maori were not employed in shops, their language was not allowed in court, they were not allowed schools in their own language, they were not allowed to be selected for some All Black tours, they were not allowed to use some public toilets, they had land confiscated illegally by the Government, and so on. All of these things were discrimination against Maori. Removing such discrimination is justice, not privilege. For Robin Bishop to describe this as privilege for Maori is just ignorance on her part.


crazyhorse, tax exemptions are Pakeha law

Posted on 09-03-2015 17:36 | By Peter Dey

crazyhorse resents Maori tribes getting tax exemptions. (They do not pay no tax). However when Maori tribes qualify for tax exemptions it is because their spending is for community activities just like all Pakeha charity organisations. All businesses, including the Auckland casino, get tax exemptions when they contribute to the community. Once again crazyhorse is picking on one detail relating to Maori activities and trying to mislead us by ignoring the rest of the total story.


crazyhorse does pick on maori people

Posted on 09-03-2015 18:05 | By Peter Dey

crazyhorse says that he does not pick on Maori people, but he says that Maori people receive about $1 billion every year from the Government for Maori activities, and he describes this as Treaty troughing. $1 billion is about 1% of Government spending, and Maori make up about 15% of the population. Crazyhorse is picking on Maori without justification because 1% of spending for 15% of the population is simply not troughing at all. Crazyhorse then says that is Maori leaders blowing Treaty settlements on themselves that are troughing, but he produces no credible evidence to support his claim. Wrongdoing by a few individuals is not evidence of corrupt organisations. One crime by a Member of Parliament does not make Parliament corrupt.


crazyhorse, Tauranga Maori got 10% compensation

Posted on 09-03-2015 19:08 | By Peter Dey

Crazyhorse continues to question the validity of Treaty settlements. Nobody has credibly challenged the Ngai Tahu settlement. Crazyhorse tries to but he is not supported by any reputable historian. Crazyhorse should try and find fault with the Tauranga settlement. Recognised historian, Michael Bassett, thought that confiscation of Maori land by the Government was justified, but he signed the Waitangi Tribunal Tauranga Report. The Government confiscated 20,000 ha of Tauranga Maori land from people who did not fight against the Government. At $25,000 a hectare that is worth $500 million at present. Tauranga Maori received $50 million compensation for their confiscated ancestral land, with very little actual land returned. The Government has got $450 million in the bank that rightfully belongs to Maori. Crazyhorse should stop misleading us over troughing and realise how well off he is.


Bad calls, yeah, nah!!

Posted on 09-03-2015 19:20 | By crazyhorse

Iwi group's Treaty of Waitangi settlement goes from $66 million to $16 million,he Tuwharetoa Settlement Trust was set up in June 2009 to handle a share of the landmark "Treelords" settlement, which was the largest Treaty settlement at the time. The $66 million was the iwi's financial share of the wider Central North Island forest settlement and was intended to provide "benefits to our hapu and whanau for generations to come". It's been found $9 million went through bad investments with another $11 million in grants and administration payments which came in for criticism. There were also payments to ""contractors and management"" "without proper process and accounting for amounts which are not ""adequately justified".


Marine & Coastal Area Act.

Posted on 09-03-2015 20:22 | By crazyhorse

The Marine and Coastal Area Act 2011 passed by National as part of its secret deal to buy the Parliamentary votes of the race-based Maori Party, is arguably the greatest swindle in New Zealand history. Ever since the introduction of British law in 1840, the foreshore and seabed were owned by the Crown-eg public ownership for the benefit of all. This long-standing pillar of British law was stood on its head by Chief Justice Sian Elias and her fellow judges in 2003 in the Ngati Apa case when, ignoring long-standing precedents, if not their "judicial oaths", they indulged their own prejudices by declaring that after all these years the Crown did not own the foreshore and seabed, thus throwing the whole of our hitherto publicly owned coast and seabed open to claims by opportunistic coastal tribes, which was likely the whole point of Elias' trickery, some "CHIEF JUSTICE".


how much longer

Posted on 09-03-2015 20:27 | By crazyhorse

How much longer must New Zealanders of all cultural backgrounds apologise and pay for injustices real and (increasingly often) imagined which occurred most recently - when they occurred at all - more than a century ago? How much longer must we continue under an apartheid electoral system where people (partly) from one racial background have access to preferential electorate seats from which others are excluded? How much longer must New Zealand be held hostage to a corrupt oligarchical structure of tribal supremacy epitomised by your friends the Corporate IWI. How much longer do we tolerate that tribal hierarchy deliberately keeping their own people in poverty and misery in order to pluck the heartstrings of Liberal White Guilt in order to ensure the treasury remains open to them? How much longer until we cease to allow Maori-only electorate representation, Maori-only health funding, Maori-only legal representation, Maori-only educational scholarships?.


DOUBLE THE

Posted on 09-03-2015 20:31 | By crazyhorse

But only on paper,the [1974 Maori Affairs Amendment Act]. Before 1974, a Maori was defined as someone who was half-caste or more, through intermarriage it was increasingly difficult for many Maori to work out precisely what their proportion of Maori blood was, if any!!. The Maori Affairs Amendment Act 1974 "REDEFINED" Maori as " person of the Maori race of New Zealand includes any blonde haired "descendant" of 1/322 cast or what ever, This made it possible to widened the ""definition"" of Maori, . Data from the 1996 census used to examine the impact that these new definitions brought in by Matiu Rata were having on the number of people officially categorised as Maori, found that instead of the 273,693 who indicated they were Maori-only, with the new "amendment act" the population of maori "DOUBLED OVER NIGHT"" to 580,374, SLASH OF A PEN THE TROUGHING INDUSTRY GOT DOUBLE THE "CLIENTS"


Fairness is not racist

Posted on 09-03-2015 22:19 | By YOGI BEAR

Yeah Peter we can all go along with that, but when the crazy's kick in at your end with all the stories for Africa then you undermine yourself. Just take your recent out burst where you said all myths and legends are all completely made up and false. it is in little moments like that you let the truth out, we just need those little cracks to widen a bit, join up and you will be cleansed once and for all.


Offical language

Posted on 09-03-2015 22:29 | By YOGI BEAR

So Peter what is the issue for you with Robin Bishop succedding with the obvious here. Sure it only reinforces what we already know and believe, on the other side of the coin the Part Maori language is not real and 50 years ago the current version did not exist, a bit like the Treaty claims.


Crazyhorse is still confused.

Posted on 10-03-2015 07:59 | By robin bell

Regardless of how many Ngai Tahu existed in the South Island,The British recognised them as indigenous and owners. The British Crown did not do deals with corner shop owners. The fact that the British and colonial governments reneged on the deal is why claims were made immediately.These too were ignored,with token "take it or leave it" payments made. Full and final was a Crown duplicity. In the year 2013-2014 Ngai Tahu payed $409,000 in tax to the N.Z inland revenue. They also pay tax in Australia. Robin Bell.


Flabbergasted,

Posted on 10-03-2015 08:13 | By robin bell

Crazyhorse now claims "he doesn't pick on Maori". I've always suspected his sanity, now he's gone and confirmed my diagnosis.WELL DONE CRAZYHORSE. Robin Bell.


1974,

Posted on 10-03-2015 14:39 | By robin bell

The Maori Affairs Amendment Act did not redefine Maori, it simply brought N.Z into line with the rest of the UNITED Nations. Previously the law was wrong to place a figure of 50%. It did not "double" the number of Maori, they were there all the time crazy old bean. Crazyhorse claims this doubles the number of claimants, Wrong again. The government only deals with IWI,not individuals. Your "picking" on Maori again crazy!!! Robin Bell.


Blubbergasted

Posted on 10-03-2015 14:59 | By YOGI BEAR

Dear Robin, at every turn you attack Crazy Steedy, you are being just so mean to her, it would be really nice if you could be a little bit nicer after all Steedy is only trying to say the truth of it as best as she can. It shouldn't be a worry to you that you don't understand, just give it a little while longer and the opaque look will start to clear a bit.


Robbin's Crazyhorse retains confused

Posted on 10-03-2015 15:02 | By YOGI BEAR

I think CS has you hook line and sinker RB, Ngai Tahu only paying $409,000 in tax is minute compared toe h tens of millions profit that they made and kept tax free mostly. Then of course don't forget that racially preferential tax rate only available if you are part Maori/e pacific islander. Geez Robin, you should learn to stay away from these things, you are just gunna lose every time.


COST OF SEPARATISM

Posted on 10-03-2015 17:56 | By crazyhorse

The real cost of Maori only gov't funded organisations is out of control and why is it so hard to find out the real costs, or, where it's going. Requests for spending details for the 2012-13 year under the Official Information Act revealed Te Wananga o Aotearoa receives about $170-million, Te Puni Kokiri spends $205-million, kohanga reo language nest pre-schools receive $67.5 million with $2.64 million for administration, Whanau Ora takes $49-million. The 'economic base for Maori” treaty settlements industry meant that in the 2012-13 year Vote Treaty Negotiations consumed $519.97-million, and the Waitangi Tribunal took $10.7-million out of the Courts budget. Waikato River co-governance costs $16-million a year. Environmental accords and other co-management cost a further $6-million. The" 177" Maori social service providers around New Zealand could chew through $1.7-billion each year. Joint ventures with tribal corporations for social housing will open up another trough worth Billions!


crazyhorse, your case would not succeed in court

Posted on 10-03-2015 18:45 | By Peter Dey

Crazyhorse produces a lot of evidence that Ngati Tuwharetoa leaders managed their Treaty settlement badly. However the evidence he produces would not stand up in court because he simply fails to make a difference between mismanagement and misappropriation of funds. Once again crazyhorse is making a blanket accusation without credible evidence in support. He is picking on all Tuwharetoa leaders for wrongdoing that has been the fault of only a few or maybe none. Crazyhorse does not actually know the full facts of the story. Money has been lost by a Maori organisation so crazyhorse yells troughing. Crazyhorse needs to produce evidence that most tribal leaders are ripping off their tribes before he can accuse Maori leaders of troughing. Crazyhorse has never ever come anywhere near producing credible evidence of Treaty troughing. His accusations of troughing are simply unjustified abuse. He is just indulging in juvenile name-calling.


$409,000

Posted on 10-03-2015 18:50 | By crazyhorse

And what was their total profit for that taxable period so we can work out the % of tax payed. To easy!.


crazyhorse, Maori ancestry makes a person Maori

Posted on 10-03-2015 19:00 | By Peter Dey

Crazyhorse resents the fact that the 1974 Maori Affairs Amendment Act says that anybody with Maori ancestry can claim to be Maori. He needs to be more rational. When Governments thought that the Maori race and culture were dying out it did not seem to matter if people with less than 50% Maori ancestry could not claim to be Maori. However since about 1970 the Maori race, language, and culture have been in revival. It is now not rational for somebody who has Maori ancestry to be told they are not Maori. Crazyhorse would be irrational if he told a person who looked Maori, spoke Maori, and was active in Maori culture that they were not Maori because they had less than 50% Maori ancestry.


crazyhorse, shameful misinformation

Posted on 10-03-2015 19:18 | By Peter Dey

crazyhorse asks when New Zealand will stop paying historical Treaty claims. The last historical claims were accepted in 2008. Crazyhorse asks when we will stop our apartheid election system. Maori do not control democracy in New Zealand so we do not have an apartheid election system. Crazyhorse says that we are being held hostage by corrupt tribal leaders. Treaty settlements have received $2 billion spread over 25 years. The Government spends about $100 billion every year. Tribal leaders are not holding anybody hostage. Crazyhorse says that Maori leaders are deliberately keeping their own people in poverty. The local Ngai te Rangi settlement is being distributed over all communities within Ngai te Rangi. Crazyhorse is just picking on Maori leaders with unjustified, ignorant abuse. Abuse is never credible argument.


YOGI BEAR, myths are not all false

Posted on 10-03-2015 20:33 | By Peter Dey

YOGI BEAR says that all myths and legends are completely made up and false. Myths and legends may not be total fiction, but they cannot be relied on as fact when set against modern scientific evidence. Myths are fiction but how much fiction we do not know. They may contain a great deal of fact. We do not know. YOGI BEAR says that the Maori language is not real and 50 years ago the current version did not exist. In fact the Williams Maori dictionary was first published in 1844 and is still used, so the Maori language has been much the same since that time. YOGI BEAR needs to tune in to Maori television to see and hear that the Maori language is real, that young people are fluent speakers of Maori, and that he does not know what he is talking about.


Blubber gasted?

Posted on 10-03-2015 23:06 | By YOGI BEAR

Well Robin it is good that you say that about good old chap Crazed Steed, he isn't and has never picked on Maori, on the hypocrisy of the Waitangi-gate sagas unfolding in Wellington and the extraordinary words you extoll as one of the few blind faithful. That is all.


crazyhorse, wrong again

Posted on 11-03-2015 10:04 | By Peter Dey

Crazyhorse says that ever since 1840 the foreshore and seabed was owned by the crown. New Zealand has now agreed to honour the Treaty of Waitangi, and this has been confirmed by successive National and Labour Governments. The Treaty of Waitangi guarantees to Maori tribes the undisturbed possession of their lands, fisheries, and other possessions. It is absolutely clear that this includes areas of the foreshore valued by Maori. Crazyhorse is writing fiction when he says that the Government has owned the foreshore since 1840. The guarantee provided in the Treaty of Waitangi has never been let go by Maori.


Geez Robin,

Posted on 11-03-2015 13:55 | By crazyhorse

I have to Quote Yogi,{ you should learn to stay away from these things Robby, you are just gunna lose every time. NOW FOR THE FACTS, South Island tribe Ngai Tahu's 2014 report boasts a net worth of $1.075-billion. The tribe's total net profit for 2014, $160.58-million. A negligible amount of $409,000 is listed as tax on comprehensive income summary. From April 1, 2003, any organisation that administers a marae situated on a Maori reservation may qualify for an income tax exemption as a charity, as long as it uses its funds to administer and maintain the marae's physical structure and land, or for charitable purposes. The exemption gives tribes a huge competitive advantage over other businesses and enables them to build their empires with their hands deep in taxpayers' pockets. A non-Maori business posting a $160-million profit would expect to pay around $53-million in tax.ROBBYS WORLD!.


Maori, Marginalised????.

Posted on 11-03-2015 14:08 | By crazyhorse

Over the years, the inclusion of ethnic privilege into government policy has led to a rapid increase in the rights of Maori over other citizens resulting in an exponential growth of race-based initiatives including: Maori-only schools and education scholarships, Maori-only housing projects, Maori-only health prioritisation and initiatives, Whanau Ora and other Maori-only welfare initiatives, Maori-only prisoner programmes, Maori-only positions on government agencies, Maori-only consultation rights under the Resource Management Act, Maori-only co-management of parks, rivers, lakes, and the coastline, Maori-only tax rates - 17.5 percent tax for iwi corporations instead of the 28 percent corporate tax rate, with tax-free status for those that can convince authorities that their business is based around a marae, Maori-only seats on local councils, Maori-only seats on local councils, Maori-only local government Statutory Boards, Maori-only local government liaison committees, Maori seats in Parliament.


Cultural Immersion'

Posted on 11-03-2015 14:19 | By crazyhorse

Cultural Immersion', be it in Maori, Welsh, Basque or whatever, is just a fancy euphemism for brainwashing. It is invariably pushed by those seeking importance but are too "inadequate" to gain it in the real world. The sole purpose of language is communication. When it is spoken by so few that it fails to do that it should be reserved for the Arts and Music, where it can play a genuine role. It is instructive that English, the lingua franca of the developed world, has never been obsessive about its use. Its success lies in accepting the influx of useful words, spellings, pronunciations, and even meanings from anyone that comes along - there is no 'proper' English; it constantly evolves to suit its users. There is a lesson here. The success of an "emerging culture" lies in the mingling of its influences, not in "politically-motivated separatist systems"!!


In the year 1974 ... 1974 ...

Posted on 11-03-2015 14:32 | By YOGI BEAR

Of course the part Maori Affairs Act was brought in then, 'anyone' could chose to be a Maori, get in on the gravy-train. You're right RB, UN rules/guidelines say that to even be looked at and taken seriously as indigenous you needed 50%+ provable bloodlines historically. Of course if the UN rule applied (and it should and it must) then there's no Maori/'part' Maori in New Zealand. In fact what NZ really has is part islanders who chose to have a different name, that's it. The rest of it is a trail of financial 'stealthery' of the most evil kind, greed! Oh now RB can you see it... the real reason for the numbers of part Maori doubling about 1974, the reason why part Maori deny that Moriori ever existed, money I can see it all now, the proof is there and you have confirmed it, thank you RB.


Dumb, dumb, dumb crazyhorse

Posted on 11-03-2015 15:29 | By Peter Dey

crazyhorse, spending on te Wananga o Aotearoa, kohanga reo, wharekura, whanau ora, te puni kokiri, Treaty settlements, Waitangi Tribunal are all part of the 15% of Government spending that Maori are entitled to because they make up 15% of the population. Maori are entitled to have spending on them done in a way that suits them.


RACE BASED FUNDING(2)

Posted on 13-03-2015 18:56 | By crazyhorse

Te Puni Kokiri: The budget for Te Puni Kokiri: that year was $209.5-million that included $49-million for the one-stop-welfare programme named Whanau Ora, and $75-million for promotion of the Maori language. Vote Treaty Negotiations consumed $519.97-million. The Waitangi Tribunal took $10.7-million out of the Courts budget. Waikato River co-governance costs $16-million a year. Environmental accords and other co-management cost a further $6-million. The grand total of race-based funding documented from these requests under the Official Information Act is $1.16421-billion. However, Maori social service providers also receive funding for social service contracts. One such provincial provider recorded a revenue of $11.05-million for a year. Supposing 177 such providers had government contracts receiving a similar level of reimbursement from government departments, the total for all such contracts in a single year would be $1.7-billion. How much of this money is "adjusted" by the "elite" managing this for their "peoples".


9 THINGS YOU WON'T HEAR

Posted on 14-03-2015 09:11 | By crazyhorse

AT A TREATY DEBATE. 1,The view of the other 85% of the NZ population. 2, How Hobson's missing final English treaty draft was found in 1989, and dishonestly dismissed by "state" historians. 3,How the false "treaty principles" were "cooked" up by honest Jeff Palmer. 4,How Hobson's final English draft is a virtual word for word match for the Maori Tiriti, into which it was translated. 5,How the draft and translation agree that the treaty was with, "all the people of NZ, not just Maori- and neither mention maori owning forests, fisheries. 6,How maori rebels were specifically warned they'd lose their land if they breached the treaty and fought "against the Queen! 7,That Sir Apirana Ngata admitted rebel chiefs were to blame for the breaches and confiscations. 8, How Tainui and Ngai Tahu have had nine "full and final" settlements between them. 9, Never ending "evidence" chronic of waitangi tribunal "bias


9 facts crazyhorse should accept

Posted on 14-03-2015 11:22 | By Peter Dey

1.Both Labour and National Governments represent the 85% Pakeha voters and support the Waitangi tribunal 2.The Littlewood Treaty draft found in 1989 was the final draft used to translate English into the Maori version at Waitangi 3.The Treaty Principles are necessary to combine the official English and Maori Treaty versions 4.The English Treaty version that we have was made official by Governor Hobson not the final English draft 5.The official English version guarantees Maori their forests and fisheries 6.In applying confiscation the British Government completely ignored the rights of British citizenship that it guaranteed Maori in the Treaty 7.Sir Apirana Ngata's opinion was that of one individual not shared by most Maori 8.Full and final Treaty settlements have always been dishonest, unjust "take it or leave it" offers from Government 9. No reputable historian says that the Waitangi Tribunal is biased.


Crazy's 9 points,

Posted on 14-03-2015 11:44 | By robin bell

1.The view of ALL N.Zers is expressed every 3yrs, to date your views are irrelevant.2. Your so-called final draft cannot be verified.It contains no signatures and its date cannot be validated.3. There are no "false" treaty principles,the treaty is very clear in its principles,a partnership long ignored by many. 4. repeat of 1..5. In 1840 the only "people" of N.Z. WERE Maori,all others were British citizens or of other nations. The Brits recognised this,after all crazy you claim sovereignty was exchanged.6.Queen Elizabeth has already apologised for the bad behavior of the rapacious settlers,that forced Maori into defending themselves and their land.7.Sir Apirana Ngata was wrong. 8.Tainui and Ngai Tahu received no "full and final" settlements until now. That term is yet another example of Crown dishonesty.9.The Waitangi Tribunal does not distort history,it simply investigates,and makes recommendations to government.Their qualifications are impeccable, UNLIKE YOURS CRAZY. Robin Bell.


Posted on 14-03-2015 13:07 | By crazyhorse

The re-writing of New Zealand's past surfaced in 1975 when the creation of the Waitangi Tribunal provided us with our own equivalent of George Orwell's ‘Ministry of Truth' and authentic evidence was often overruled by ‘verbal tribal history'. New-age historians announced, 'Our old historians got it all wrong” thereby denying the existence of pre-Maori inhabitants, with governments adding their support by placing embargoes on 105 sites that showed indications of non-Maori origin. The manifestly clear objective of the Treaty of Waitangi to unite two races as one people, with equal rights under one common law, has been gradually undermined by re-interpretation of key words in that document, citing modernistic meanings that did not apply at the time treaty was signed. With Gov't controlled revisionist historians it would be very difficult for the young people of today to envisage the New Zealand that existed in the mid-20th century;


English common law

Posted on 14-03-2015 13:10 | By crazyhorse

We do not have "independent" tribal nations that hold sovereign political power over their lands. All land in New Zealand is under the sovereignty of parliament and is subject to English common law and NZ statutes. Hence, the question is not whether Iwi are required to relinquish sovereignty to the Crown under the Treaty as, "they have done so". The question today becomes, whether, after 170 years of the Crown being sovereign, Iwi should attempt to gain their sovereignty back? On this issue the Treaty is silent. It says nothing about what various parties are entitled to if another party misunderstood the agreement. Call in Kawharu, "another" tickle up on the TOW is needed, anyone recognise this "simple document from 1840, mind you I should be asking which meaning on which TOW, or, what meaning suits who?.


systematic indoctrination,

Posted on 14-03-2015 13:14 | By crazyhorse

what is good for "everyone else" is "never any good" for part Maori; "BUT" what is good for Maori is always, ""good"" for "everyone else,” anyone noticed that?.


THAT NOBLE LANGUAGE

Posted on 14-03-2015 13:32 | By crazyhorse

The Hon Pita Sharples asked, 'When we arrive in the presence of God, what if he asks us: What became of that noble language that I gave you”? old matey Sharpy's response will have to be, 'Our Maori scholars distorted it to such an extent for greed it could no longer be translated”. It is obvious from the translations of the Tiriti o Waitangi from Maoridom's leading scholars; the Maori language can no longer be accurately translated into another language.


BING BONG, FREE SHOT?.

Posted on 14-03-2015 19:21 | By crazyhorse

Huh, Quote pete,{ 9. No reputable historian says that the Waitangi Tribunal is biased.}. Golly, don't you read the papers Pete. Paul Moon, one of "your" most respected trougher researchers. {A history professor has criticised a Waitangi Tribunal decision that Maori chiefs who signed the Treaty of Waitangi did not cede sovereignty as "distorting New Zealand history". Treaty specialist Paul Moon said the Tribunal's inquiry got basic historical aspects wrong. "I was shocked by some of the statements contained in the report," says the Auckland University of Technology professor. "This is not a concern about some trivial detail, but over the fundamental history of our country, which the Tribunal has got manifestly wrong. Or are you not speaking to your "old" mate Paul now, Lol, he was top of the "heap" a couple months ago but even he couldn't take the "lies" the tribunal comes up with,bit of "mana".


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