Mouldy buildings gather bills

The price of dealing with Tauranga City Council's mouldy building saga continues to rise, with officials signing off on more than $500,000 in associated costs so far.

And according to mayor Stuart Crosby, when all is said and done there won't be much change out of $1 million.


Tauranga City Council's HQ on Willow Street.

'It won't be a cheap fix, that's for sure,” he says.

'I know what I have signed off already and it's well over half a million. If I look at what's being done by the contractors, there won't be much change out of a million already.”

Commercial property leases have been signed for part of the Westpac Building in Devonport Road, the former ANZ Building in Spring Street and a building in Durham Street beside the car park to house about 300 displaced staff members.

There workforce required rehousing following announcements on December 15 and 23 that toxic black stachybotrys mould was affecting staff health.

'We signed off for three new office spaces to house a number of staff for at least up to nine months,” says Stuart.

'It could be longer - we really don't know the quantum until we get it fixed.”

Varying degrees of problems can be found in different parts of the building, explains Stuart, and carpets have already been removed in some areas.

'After a re-carpet and a good clean, the staff can come back because the bacteria was in the carpets,” he adds.

'For some of it, people will have to stay away until the building is made watertight, cleaned and re-carpeted. So there are different levels of problems which will require different time frames.”

Council staff camped out in Baycourt will be among the first to move, because the theatre and exhibition space is required for shows.


Mayor Stuart Crosby.

Some of those staff will go straight to Durham Street, where contractors are already setting up the desks.

The Durham Street building beside the carpark was previously leased to the council for the documents digitising contract, while space formerly occupied by a language school on the first floor has also become available.

Council staff are still acquiring information on the state of the buildings and working to get them in a state for staff to return, says Stuart.

A comprehensive report on the buildings' water tightness and earthquake strengthening requirements is expected in March, which is also expected to have better cost estimates.

'Then the council will be in the better position to make some longer term decisions,” says Stuart.

'We are just a commercial building owner and other commercial building owners go through this problems at some point in time. It was only a question of when, not if.”

The council's building manager began gathering information on the possible mould problem in July 2014, says Stuart.

'We knew the problem was starting to manifest to the point that something needed to be done.

'He had already started early information gathering and had some early testing done, but it wasn't until one of our reasonably new young staff members became quite ill that we got the mould tested and some of it was found to be that nasty black stuff (stachybotrus).”

So far the challenge of moving staff and packing them up and moving them again has been achieved without interrupting the council's normal business, says Stuart.

'This council has been reluctant to spend money on itself when we have had other pressures, so it's just that the time is now that something has to be done,” he adds.

'The key in the worst affected areas is to find the leak, and that can be difficult. Water can penetrate in one area and travel a long way, so it's not always easy to identify where water comes in.”

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63 comments

Hang in there Stuart

Posted on 08-01-2015 10:27 | By robin bell

yogi's on his way. He won't have any answers, just the usual meaningless gibberish. Robin Bell.


What would you do?

Posted on 08-01-2015 10:31 | By The author of this comment has been removed.

If I were in business I would sell the building and rent permanently, in this case out of the CBD. The building is clearly leaking and is probably beyond repair, or repairable at great cost (to us). Make a decision quickly Mr and Mrs councillor to avoid wasting ratepayer's money.


Hi dee hi Robin

Posted on 08-01-2015 11:19 | By YOGI BEAR

Looks to me like a holiday job for the boys, add to that the massive cost of rents signed up for at that alone will be another $500,000 then the flash fit out of everything so the campers remain warm and comfy. Typical meaningless Stuart commentary, little in detail and knowledgeable type stuff, just more political jargon and a hefty bill and plenty more to come.


Mould

Posted on 08-01-2015 11:57 | By DAD

I wonder how many Quotes were got or the job was just handed to someone who can charge Whatever!


TCC job done?

Posted on 08-01-2015 12:13 | By YOGI BEAR

On ratepayers, just the usual carry on, bungling about trying to pretend that someone has a clue about what side of the bread is buttered. Here we have a classic case of the out fit that manages the building rules (judge, jury and executioner) has completely failed to maintain any standard of delivery in its own backyard. This is a typical result and hardly the first time this has happened.


Council will have signed off

Posted on 08-01-2015 12:48 | By Watchdog

on this building years ago. But now there will be arguing about who is responsible for this problem, the architect's design? or the builder's interpretation of the design, , and then along comes a Council Inspector and says OK, according to the specs, and building code it's all OK. Problem was, the material used at that time has shown itself to be suspect in many similar such cases as we have seen in schools all over the country. Everywhere it went on for years and years. The old style of brick and tile with an overhanging gable and a good sloping roof with no internal wastewater gutters, and no flat roofs are the answers. Even for a commercial building. Joinery checking every year would have helped here. Getting staff to mention if water had been noticed, years ago, would have given clues. So the next question is, of course-whopaysforthis???


Rebuild

Posted on 08-01-2015 12:57 | By Ron

The best option is to demolish the ugly building. Move into the library. The library can be taken over by the new University building which will need a library anyway for the students. Could turn out to be cost neutral.


BUILDING COSTS

Posted on 08-01-2015 13:44 | By jeancraven@kinect.co.nz

Are we sure there is no hidden agenda here - specifically related to a super council?


I know

Posted on 08-01-2015 13:59 | By rotovend

Why dont the Council just sell up and move to the burbs and let a great high-rise rental accommodation with commercial down the bottom get built to bring people back into the city


Flash the Cash

Posted on 08-01-2015 14:12 | By Poseidon

They're at it again spending up large fixing a self inflicted cock up, or didn't we get a code compliance for the original building work which now turns out the be dodgy. Sell the building and move to somewhere affordable.


Doesn't matter, ratepayers are fools!!

Posted on 08-01-2015 14:24 | By jed

No accountability. I bet the council has someone who manages the buildings, why did they fail to do repairs before this point?


Sell and Lease

Posted on 08-01-2015 15:18 | By Jitter

I have said many times TCC should do what the big corporates and government departments do. Sell the council building and either lease it back or lease another building/s elsewhere preferably out and away from the CBD. At the same time take the opportunity to have a full and independant staff audit and reduce staff numbers and costs by 25% to 50%.


COST ???

Posted on 08-01-2015 15:31 | By Mackka

Its just one big, stinking, rotten, expensive balls-up!


For robin and yogi

Posted on 08-01-2015 17:07 | By penguin

Yogi bear should be renamed ' yogi BARE” - bare of anything helpful, meaningful, sensible or factual in the incessant cr.. that is the hallmark of yogi's diatribes. However miracles have been known to happen. Perhaps if the bear was to do and/or say something really useful, an amount of credibility might be afforded. Until then...


Time for some openess.

Posted on 08-01-2015 17:32 | By dgk

So, already spent $1 million, and not even close to fixing the problem. This doesn't look good.


@robin bell

Posted on 08-01-2015 18:55 | By Jimmy Ehu

but of course you have all the answers, and no one is more fixated with gibberish than you "tinker", so while Yogi Bear does not always S**t in the bush, he talks a lot of it as well, you are as he is entitled to your own opinion, so what makes you think you are more plausible than he is, and I for one would not believe anything Mr Crosby told me!!!!.


Im

Posted on 08-01-2015 21:56 | By Capt_Kaveman

Lost for words really just the past and still sitting councilors saga continues, the last 25yrs are a joke and past councilors should ashamed of themselves


Thanks Penguin,

Posted on 09-01-2015 08:20 | By robin bell

but as you see yogi does have some "pull". I seem to have upset jimmy boy. Perhaps he would consider something more specific, when criticizing what I say. Jimmy should remember 'opinion'is subjective 'facts' are indisputable. Something yogi 'bare' has never learned. Robin Bell.


@robin bell

Posted on 09-01-2015 10:28 | By Jimmy Ehu

It would take much more than you to pssss me off tinker!!, and once again..... why are you always of the opinion that, your "subjective facts" are correct?, and why are we actually subjected to your facts?, which are only your opinion anyway.


To Jimmy

Posted on 09-01-2015 10:52 | By YOGI BEAR

We all are entitled to our views and opinions on anything, having a clue what one is talking about is really something else through isn't it. As far as Robin goes he is just a tiny thorn in the side, we know what he will say, how he will say it and why. Sadly there still remains a gap between what is said and the actual.


Temp premises costs

Posted on 09-01-2015 10:53 | By YOGI BEAR

Bet that $1m on cleaning the carpet, $$0.5m on rent, $1m on fit outs and nice to haves in the Temp premises. Cant see anything left for ratepayers out of this but more bills, $3m+ and counting ...


The real cost

Posted on 09-01-2015 10:55 | By YOGI BEAR

We do not know, TCC I bet do not know either. Whatever it is the cost to ratepayers will be in the millions to remedy the buildings poor design/materials used. Watch this space, another special rate is on its way.


Jimmy

Posted on 09-01-2015 11:53 | By robin bell

I am not trying to 'P' you off, however if that's the end result, it simply means we agree on nothing. How surprising is that? Fact is jimmy,The subject of this thread is a very serious matter for those who work in the building in question. The negative comments from yogi "bare" achieve nothing,they denigrate all and insult your intelligence along with everyone else. That needs to be challenged. Robin Bell.


AMALGAMATION

Posted on 09-01-2015 12:14 | By Colleen Spiro

I feel Jean Craven has hit the nail on the head and believe that they will not return to the Willow St building...They have taken leases on 3 buildings in the CBD when they own the Cossie Club at the Mount....BUT they say it is an earthquake risk and not IT friendly....rubbish, it is not a bomb shelter....Is the Westpac Building Earthquake proof?..I emailed questions to ALL Elected Members and heard back only from Mayor Crosby, Steve Morris and Catherine Stewart. Amalgamation is being pushed for. Maybe the property developer pushing for Amalgamation is going to tender for a new building to house them all.


It's very easy

Posted on 09-01-2015 15:36 | By earlybird

to constantly criticise & point the finger. If the moaners & groaners that haunt these forums think they can do better they should stand for council and convince us, the ratepayers, that they know what they're talking about and have the nous to make a difference. Any fool can criticise.


Just tinkering around,

Posted on 09-01-2015 16:55 | By robin bell

early bird is correct,far too much negativity, not enough brain matter being used. Jimmy needs to understand yogi just wants the "playground" to himself and his mates. Can't have it,these issues need to be "discussed" and will be, as long as Sunlive sanction it. Like all the issues yogi has over reacted to,this one will die a slow painful death. Robin Bell.


That needs to be challenged

Posted on 11-01-2015 13:25 | By YOGI BEAR

When I spot it I will let you know Robin, in the mean time I will continue to note the obvious and so draw the obvious conclusions. If you are unable to keep up with that then I suggest you read it again and again until you are up with the play.


kiaora2u

Posted on 11-01-2015 13:31 | By YOGI BEAR

Westpac does meet reasonable Earth Quake standards. The issue here is yet again the failures of TCC staff (therefore most importantly the management) to monitor their own back yard. The issues of mould have been known of for a long time yet little has been done until someone gets sick. That means many others would have been affected for a long time. The Willow Street building, I believe you are correct, they are seeking a brand new castle, that will be the new HQ of the to be merged Councils of the area. So the building will be huge, state of the art and enough "rabbit" spaces for TCC, WBOP, RBOP and most likely Whakatane, Rotorua and more. The cunning plan will level everything on the block including Baycourt. They will have the hotel that they all want to.


earlybird

Posted on 11-01-2015 15:05 | By YOGI BEAR

it sounds like you are missing the valid points made by many here. TCC is a self appointed guru on: - Building, Consents and health certification. They are the ones that sign off on everyone else, right? That being the case as it is one would reasonably assume that they would keep there own corner clean, in every sense of the word. They haven't and perhaps cant. All seems to be a little bit hypocritical and some to me.


Once again yogi,

Posted on 11-01-2015 17:54 | By robin bell

misses the point. So intent on venting his N.P.D. he now claims council are "self appointed" treading on our rights, obviously wanting total control for himself and his extreme group.No concern for the health of others,typical ego tripping of the far right. Robin Bell.


Stuart Says ...

Posted on 11-01-2015 18:49 | By YOGI BEAR

"the bacteria was in the carpets"? But the source of water must have been from outside the building (leaky building) and so got to the carpet from the roof somehow. The end result is the carpet is wet then mouldy. So what about the gap between the roof and the carpet? Is that where the wrecking ball that Terry talked about comes in? Cleaned the carpet so then everything is sweet n dandy after that. All sounds like the usual wiffle woffle carry on I believe from the TCC communications department.


Unless I'm mistaken

Posted on 11-01-2015 18:54 | By earlybird

that's what TCC are doing now - keeping their corner clean.


Challenging,

Posted on 12-01-2015 07:52 | By robin bell

yogi bare and his right to free speech,by exercising my right to respond.Yogi represents a small group in these columns,who constantly seek to undermine the confidence and respect we have in democracy.Constant carping disrespect for elected representatives. Fair criticism buried by inane falsehoods and incessant,incisive insult. WHY? to promote the insane,extreme policies of the failed political parties of the extreme right. Parties and policies soundly rejected a few months ago. Their desired outcome squashed by the reason and unity of the majority. The fanaticism of yogi bare,a perfect example of the reason why. Robin Bell.


confidence and respect

Posted on 12-01-2015 09:21 | By YOGI BEAR

For democracy, that is a odd comment Robin. Your blogs promote separatism, apartheid and everything but democracy. You seek preference and pet treatment for the favoured few at the expense of the majority. Bit of a gap between what you say and what you seek.


The only seperatism

Posted on 12-01-2015 10:47 | By robin bell

I promote yogi,is distance between your unworkable approach to so-called debate and the workable compromise, afforded by our current democracy. No denial noted on the rest of my analysis of you and your motley crew. Your reverse psychology fails yet again. Robin Bell.


Carpet cleaners?

Posted on 12-01-2015 13:39 | By YOGI BEAR

So they are cleaning the carpet, perhaps they should consider that as the visible problem, so where is the cause, that is nothing to do with the carpet being mouldy. So obviously there is a leaky building that means the walls and so on a damp and in the end the carpet gets damp and mouldy, whaaalllaaaa we have after many years a mouldy issue stalking TCC staff around the building. Cant see any other option but a complete demolition of the building.


@robin bell

Posted on 12-01-2015 13:57 | By Jimmy Ehu

your world is spinning off its axis "tinker" pray tell what happened to the political left and the rest of your cronies, agh!!! thats correct their attitude was similar to yours, and no one believed them, your comrades do not have any understanding of democracy!!!!, a very odd posting "tinker" is the heat getting to you?.


Jimmy Ehu

Posted on 12-01-2015 17:13 | By robin bell

so in your topsy world jimmy-boy, if someone opposes the extreme rantings of the far right, they must be a commie. Sorry old bean, your wrong again, becoming a bit of a habit, don't you think. Did you know jimmy,Ehu means incantation or to bewitch with spells, Fits perfectly, I would say. Robin Bell.


Robin seperatism from kiwis?

Posted on 12-01-2015 17:24 | By YOGI BEAR

I would like to help you, the quality of debate here is determined by the lowest denominator, you. The rest are trying to genuinely express a view and fair enough, you simple take a view that you are right and all others are wrong if they don't agree with you ... hook line tinker ... does that sound about right for you?


Cronies have left

Posted on 12-01-2015 17:25 | By YOGI BEAR

That just leaves the radical Robin around the place still grimly hanging on desperately to the desire end result belief.


Genuinely express a view,

Posted on 13-01-2015 16:31 | By robin bell

and fair enough". Well it would be yogi bare if. If, you had the balls to put forward a name.If, you had anything constructive to offer. If,your usual diatribe contained sound advice.If, it was designed to assist.If, it was anything but self serving, under mining propaganda for the extreme right, the enemies of democracy.Then and only then, will those who prefer fair play and justice concede,in the mean time old bore your stuck with us. ENJOY!!! Time for a bit of your usual reverse mental tripping. Robin Bell.


Why not...

Posted on 13-01-2015 17:58 | By GreertonBoy

Just remove a few of the windows and replace with opening windows for some proper ventilation.... then get the airconditioning bought up to date? More money down the toilet!


Oh dear ...

Posted on 13-01-2015 22:37 | By YOGI BEAR

it is not I who want separatism, preference for a few (apartheid), seems a bit rich to try and fend off real concerns of many when it is your prime purpose and personal gain. PS Least we forget , your good mate appointed me the new NZ dictator, it seems there is a non-democracy in your midst not mine


GreertonBoy

Posted on 14-01-2015 11:14 | By YOGI BEAR

The inhabitants are anti anything new, a breath of fresh air would be in that category. You are not accommodating the essential issue here, the environment created within is a special environment, designed and created to foster the best from a bureaucrat, that generally means that it is completely isolated from the outside world so as to be able to keep the desired tried and true ethos of a bureaucratic organisation. The inmates will likely shrivel and perish if that wee to happen. To remain they need constantly lavishing, pampering and so on so as they can exist in the ideal environment so as the desired thinking and behavior of those above retained.


The concerns of many,

Posted on 14-01-2015 11:39 | By robin bell

or the "few" depends on where you stand yogi.The doctrine you and your friends offer discriminates against justice for those who were discriminated against. Your blanket criticism of ALL elected members,your endless insults at ALL who oppose your opinion.I have no such agenda,I simply oppose what you stand for,like many I could ignore it, but choose not to. Democracy at work, or just tit for tat, take your pick.It matters not,to me. Robin Bell.


discriminates against justice ?

Posted on 14-01-2015 13:02 | By YOGI BEAR

Not sure what angle you are aiming from here but looks a bit adrift and some, most injustices have only started since 1975 when the fabrication of NZ history got into full swing, from then on the vast majority of NZ culturally genuine and indigenous peoples have been ripped off.


such agenda's?

Posted on 14-01-2015 13:05 | By YOGI BEAR

We have yet to see the "agenda" at least most would be in that category, they do not realise what is happening and the drag off occurring followed by the expection of an ever upward spiraling gravy train of handouts that is being demanded. In my view a very good remedy would be that those who contribute to the services that the government provides should be the ones that have a vote. As the saying goes, them that does the paying does the saying, fair enough to.


So there we have it folks,

Posted on 14-01-2015 15:59 | By robin bell

Those that do the "paying" should get the vote,everyone else,no vote. Democracy yogi style. Then it becomes, those who pay the most,get more votes,then the ruling elite. No chance yogi. You's tried it last time and failed miserably. Remember the boy who cried "wolf"? you should do yogi, it was written for people just like you. Robin Bell.


Fifteen percent

Posted on 14-01-2015 17:26 | By robin bell

pay 80% of tax gathered, or there abouts. So fifteen % of our population have all the say,the rest diddly squat. Sounds a lot like APARTHEID to me. Democracy yogi style,no thanks yogi. Robin Bell.


Pay more , more votes

Posted on 15-01-2015 00:20 | By YOGI BEAR

Robin style, that us exactly what Robin except that it really is "Get more vote more" Robin style is what Robin really wants for an elitist minority of radicals, oh yeah that has the same look about it as isis.


Your floundering yogi,

Posted on 15-01-2015 09:26 | By robin bell

You said it, them whats pay get the say. Your inept attempt to reverse the tide, died at the last election. As your money guru Allan Gibb said he wants to see the day when its user pays for everything, roads, schools, hospitals you name it.Stuff those that can't afford it,they had the same "choice" as the rest of us. He's gone awful quiet of late,probably out at sea like you. Robin Bell.


One man one vote ...

Posted on 15-01-2015 10:16 | By YOGI BEAR

Still applies Robin, don't go getting yourself all excited there. The only difference is that "Paying in" rather than "Taking out" is a requirement to have that vote. No apartheid in that, unlike the Treaty-gate faithful desires.


Mouldy Bills

Posted on 15-01-2015 13:40 | By YOGI BEAR

Bet that the real costs will add to $3-4m at least, that is the bottom end of it. The real costs will be a lot more and if the castle is replaced then write off some $30-40m more in debt. seems easier to just have a proper cull and be done with it all.


Foreign Owner register?

Posted on 15-01-2015 17:13 | By YOGI BEAR

Perhaps someone could clarify, does that include pacific Islanders? As strictly they are foreigners so should be in the register?


Cool, calm and deluded,

Posted on 15-01-2015 19:59 | By robin bell

yogi thinks I'm getting exited. Perish the thought yogi. Why would I? Your feeble attempt to brutalize democracy is the real joke around here. We all pay tax,even children,so my estimation about the more you pay,the more votes you get, must apply. Even you can work that out, or maybe not. G.S.T. is our saviour from the evils of the far right. Robin Bell.


Dear Robin

Posted on 16-01-2015 11:30 | By YOGI BEAR

Twist and turn all you like in desperation, that will not save you as your ideas are already off the scale already, calm or not the ideas are the issue here. Who ever would suggest the more tax you pay the more votes, not I anyway. I suggested it you "pay" tax you get a vote because that means you have a say it what you have paid in tax, nothing more was alluded to than that. The other interesting observation is that your mate Pete nominated me as dictator of NZ and as I am a benevolent type person I accepted.


Off the scale,

Posted on 16-01-2015 18:10 | By robin bell

what a strange accusation you level at me yogi.The scale I operate on is the status quo you know yogi the way we are,the way it is.If people decide your way is best, so be it. Mind you I think you and your mates will need a giant miracle, based on your feeble efforts last time. What was it yogi? . 07 of 1% mmmmm!!! I fail to see where you get your confidence from. Robin Bell.


The great buffer,

Posted on 17-01-2015 10:01 | By robin bell

no not yogi bare,that great buffer of the average "joe" like me Common Sense. The delusion of yogi and friends is to create a democracy based solely on money, no room for error folks, no pay no say, simple as that. From there it becomes no pay, no get. It really is a pity yogi and friends weren't around to advise the Crown in its dealings with our indigenous brothers and sisters. What a different world we would live in. Robin Bell.


Yip, Off the scale

Posted on 19-01-2015 07:05 | By YOGI BEAR

what you say and what you want are very different, hence "Off the scale".


me Common Sense?

Posted on 19-01-2015 07:06 | By YOGI BEAR

Sorry got that far and had a case of "Brain Freeze" as there is no way that these three words could exist in the same sentence, nay a paragraph.


0.7 of 1% mmmmm

Posted on 19-01-2015 07:10 | By YOGI BEAR

Yeah that is about right, be luck if there is that much Maori blood left in NZ right now. If this number is wrong then the most likely reason is that way to many are ticking the wrong box in the last few census. That just comes about because money grows on trees if you tick the desired box. facts are that there are no UN compliant Maori in NZ now. Robin, you just need to face facts here and get on with life ... if you can find it.


Facing FACTS and

Posted on 19-01-2015 10:18 | By robin bell

getting on with life. Poor old yogi, just can't get rid of me. How sad. You see yogi you wouldn't know a fact, if it jumped out and bit you. Here's no.1. your a loser. Why,because the U.N.have absolutely no say on who belongs and who doesn't. It's tribal business, ancestry determines who is and who ain't. Nothing to do with wannabe's like you, and certainly those who can't raise a whimper, like the pollys you support. Robin Bell.


Leaks are free

Posted on 21-01-2015 14:01 | By SDG

It is quite easy to find leaks in a leaky building. I've managed numerous leaky building repairs. Call a building thermal camera operator, they will submit a report showing you exactly where the problem lies, and where its travelling too. The cladding on the current building is well known for leaking as are poorly maintained roofing materials. Incorrect window installation also plays a part. The last thing I would want to see is the council jump and try to do something tricky to get out of a situation and end costing us rate payers ten times more than what it should.


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