Ditch Maori seats - Give to independents

Parliament now has more Maori MPs than ever before at 26, and 19 of those Maori MPs have been elected through the general electorates and on party lists, plus the seven allocated Maori seats.

It's time Maori themselves dumped the allocated Maori seats, as they are no longer required to have Maori elected to Parliament.

This would enable those seats to be allocated to the independents, which aren't represented.

I've always run as an independent every three years, and because I'm not aligned to a political party - like all 21 current independents across the country - I haven't got a hope in Hades of being elected under the current political party system.

So it's time to allocate seats in parliament for the independents, for some of the same reason the Maori seats, now not needed, were established.

The top seven highest-polling Independents in the country should be allocated the seats. This would give a fairer broader overall electoral representation for the country.

Maori now don't need the Maori seats any longer, but we do need independent representation in Parliament.

Rusty Kane, Brookfield.

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25 comments

apartheid

Posted on 24-10-2014 14:16 | By Captain Sensible

Sadly, in this so called "democracy" that is closer to an apartheid, these racist seats will be around for a while yet.


Agreed

Posted on 24-10-2014 14:52 | By YOGI BEAR

But what about all the other ethnic groups in NZ, there are a few that were here before Maori and one is genuine in being the true indigenous people of NZ, give them a go and real representation of their culture. Or are we just a mono-cultural society?


The need for Maori

Posted on 25-10-2014 14:13 | By robin bell

seats is more important now than ever before.Not withstanding their inherent right to political representation,without the obvious marginalization history has shown,the Maori stake in N.Z. demands political representation. The usual suspects below,oppose all Maori development claiming racism,whilst exercising it themselves,ad nauseum Robin Bell.


more racism

Posted on 26-10-2014 14:52 | By Captain Sensible

And Robin Bell continues to claim that equality for all is somehow racist. In reality it means that Maori lose their racist race based privileges...but Robin likes to explain it another way. Maori can elect a rep just as all the other races that make up NZ'ers can. And remember Robin, not every Maori votes for a maori politician in parliament as not all non-maori vote for non-maori. It would be nice to believe that people vote on policies, not race.


Hikois from hell

Posted on 26-10-2014 21:01 | By crazyhorse

One of the most disturbing comments made by any politician in the election campaign was the comment by John Key, he said that, though abolition of separate Maori electorates is National Party policy, he had no plan to abolish them because such a move would provoke 'hikois from hell”. What he was saying was that, even though abolishing racially-based political representation is the right thing to do - a view shared by ACT, New Zealand First and the Conservatives - he was willing to be intimidated by a mob. despite the fact that the Royal Commission on the Electoral System in 1986 recommended that Maori electorates be scrapped if New Zealand adopted the MMP voting system; and despite the fact that New Zealand voters have long since proved that they are quite willing to elect Maori to Parliament without the crutch of the Maori electorates. http://www.nzcpr.com/hikois-from-hell/#more-12973


Equality for all.

Posted on 27-10-2014 09:35 | By robin bell

What a wonderful concept.The Maori Representation Act 1867,created four Maori seats in Parliament.Clearly the administrators of the day exercised more common sense than that of some in this day.To deny the Treaty rights of Maori,is both shortsighted and illegal. To claim a Maori elected in a general seat can 'represent' Maori issues is duplicitous even dishonest. New Zealand was recently voted in a virtual landslide,to a place on the U.N.Security Council. Our current policies on Indigenous and Human rights,coupled with our stability were quoted as reasons.The selfishness of those who oppose the current policies,will destroy the peace we enjoy. Robin Bell.


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Posted on 27-10-2014 17:55 | By crazyhorse

Equality for all, yeah rite!!!.


U.N.Security Council.

Posted on 27-10-2014 20:51 | By crazyhorse

Quote by Bell,New Zealand was recently voted in a virtual landslide,to a place on the U.N.Security Council. Our current policies on Indigenous and Human rights,coupled with our stability were quoted as reasons . Hmm!!! only a few years ago when every body's favourite "race" commissioner Joris De Bres was dealing with the UN he likened treatment of very part maori as treatment by the taliban or now ISIS,this is starting to get really weird, or sick, take your pick campers??.


@ robin bell

Posted on 29-10-2014 12:50 | By Captain Sensible

It seems you pick and choose what acts you find suitable. The ToW did not grant maori any special race based privileges. It gave maori equality ...that word that you so despise and fear. It was many years later when all those signatories to the ToW were dead that people decided to second guess and "reinterpret" what did not need reinterpreting. How many contracts can be reinterpreted years after signing to turn one party into a party of receiver of lucrative benefits and the other into second class and racially discriminated upon daily?


Good try cap'n,

Posted on 31-10-2014 08:38 | By robin bell

but not good enough.I don't 'pick and choose' Acts are the rules we live by,or should.The T.o.W.did not guarantee 'Equality' for any of the signatories. Equality is an abstract ideal that has totally escaped mankind to date. I don't 'fear' equality,I simply accept it doesn't exist. Even the concept of Equality under the Law is constantly abused. Politicians,the Clergy and many others nurture the the term for their own gain. You and your sympathizers use it to satiate your need to strike fear into some.It won't work cap'n. Robin Bell'


YET AGAIN WE SEE

Posted on 01-11-2014 16:14 | By crazyhorse

The impossible-to-define "principles of the Treaty," a late and pragmatic addition to law some twenty-five years ago—and a leading lesson in the dangers of pragmatism in politics. As you might not know, the 'the principles of the Treaty” are not part of the Treaty at all, Just a recent accretion adding great confusion and a huge amount of expensive litigious activity. Not least because to this day they have still not been adequately defined. Thank Geoffrey Palmer , his life's work was based around writing legislation so vague, so ambiguous, that it allowed the courts to define things any way they wanted to. This, said the Idiot Palmer, is how you make law 'flexible”: by giving the courts bullets which they could elect to fire in any direction they wished, Thank palmer for the treaty of waitangi's "latest meaning, that's not what it meant in 1840. http://pc.blogspot.com.au/2012/02/its-those-fantastical-treaty-of.html


HONEST SIR GEOFF PALMER

Posted on 01-11-2014 17:25 | By crazyhorse

Sir Geoffrey Palmer, the politician responsible for making up his own "version" of the of the Treaty of Waitangi in 1975 then adding it to modern legislation,that's 1975, not "1840" the man who started the gravy train then made a million dollar living off it, now his son Dr Matthew Palmer, argues that the Treaty should be given statutory legal force and subject to an independent" new Treaty of Waitangi Court, I wonder if he will join treaty troughing law firm "Chen and Palmer" in their quest to live off the New Zealand tax payer like maggots off a carcass???


Why pragmatism,

Posted on 03-11-2014 08:58 | By robin bell

is essential.New Zealand is a nation formed by the merging of two separate groups.A system which takes as the criterion of the 'truth' of a conception,or assertion,the 'practical' value of this as tested by the effect on human interests and activities. It does NOT base its metaphysics,logic,psychology or ethics on 'speculation' or abstract thought. Contrast that to a recent answer,given by ex A.C.T. member Stephen Franks.When asked by Jim Mora,to name one thing he would do to alleviate child poverty.His reply 'I don't wish to comment, I find the subject tedious. Give me Mr Palmer any day. Robin Bell.


logic,psychology or ethics on 'speculation' or abstract thought ...

Posted on 04-11-2014 16:20 | By YOGI BEAR

Let me know when you get there Robin, it will be a milestone day indeed.


Happy where I am,

Posted on 05-11-2014 08:22 | By robin bell

thanks.No need for anonymity,no need for the symbolic hood you wear yogi.No need for dreams of Celtic superiority,no need for inventive rhetoric,I leave all that to you and your mates. Robin Bell.


metaphysics,

Posted on 05-11-2014 09:50 | By crazyhorse

well said "Geoffrey"", actually, what did you say??.


@ crazyhorse

Posted on 06-11-2014 08:59 | By YOGI BEAR

Metaphysics, that is a word with more than one syllable so will have to be thought of as way over the top of the head, like in space.


happy whee I am?

Posted on 06-11-2014 15:42 | By YOGI BEAR

I suggest you stay in the cave then, happy in the dark.Robin.


How's it going so far,

Posted on 06-11-2014 16:07 | By robin bell

you guys.Here's a further clue. Meta- often used to express 'change'. Physics- branches of science,dealing with the the material world. Also dealing with inanimate matter, something you may be familiar with. Robin Bell.


Ok so far for you

Posted on 07-11-2014 08:32 | By YOGI BEAR

That does look like a "copy and paste" though so that does not mean that the message has sunk in yet.


And the message is,

Posted on 07-11-2014 10:42 | By robin bell

what old bore? I'm afraid we're not gonna top the 'Hit Parade' with this rubbish.One thing I have learned though,is those who constantly criticize ( that's you and crazy)have nothing to offer. The rest of us take the risks,make the changes and more often than not,progress our world to better things. Plenty there for you to grizzle about, particularly the money it costs.Go for it yogi. Robin 'the caveman' Bell.


@ Robin

Posted on 10-11-2014 00:41 | By YOGI BEAR

Excellent mate, I feel like we are making some progress, great to see. So tell me here so as all the punters can read it to, when do you plan to come out, of the cave I mean?


Robin

Posted on 16-11-2014 13:53 | By Mackka

Why don't you stand for council? You could push your 'Maori' barrow till the cows come home. As far as having a 'special' maori councillor goes, that person would be a voice in the wilderness having only one vote - so what would be the point of it all?


Mackka

Posted on 18-11-2014 08:47 | By YOGI BEAR

Agree generally, however it would be like a beach head, as soon as there is one, all the IWI will then want a seat of their own, at that point there will be 100 IWI appear from no where and the whole Council thing becomes a joke then doesn't it.


A voice in the wilderness mackka,

Posted on 20-11-2014 11:02 | By robin bell

Is more than they have now,more than you would allow and less than they are entitled to. Robin Bell.


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