Where should the waka go?

Tauranga City councillor Gail McIntosh is seeking public feedback on where the controversial 75-metre waka pavilion should sit if it comes to Tauranga.

Tauranga City Mayor Stuart Crosby confirmed to SunLive on Tuesday that discussions to place the $2 million pavilion on Tauranga's Waterfront for two-five years were underway between various city organisations.


Tauranga City councillor Gail McIntosh.

Gail is in support of the idea but is opposed to the proposed location on The Strand.

'I just want to ask the public what they think of it,” says Gail.

'And I want to know where people want it placed, because I don't want it on The Strand. I think great idea, but somewhere else.”

She says councillors are yet to be approached formally on the issue, but understands the waka will not be ratepayer funded.

A strategic working group understood to include individuals from various organisations including Priority One and Bay Venues Limited is assessing a proposal to bring the pavilion from San Francisco, and re-assemble it on The Strand reclamation, ideally before the end of the year.

The 75-metre lozenge-shaped pavilion was originally designed for the 2011 Rugby World Cup in 2011 at was first displayed on Auckland's Viaduct.

It was later shipped to San Francisco as part of the Team NZ America's Cup campaign.

'At this stage we are just looking at the prospect of bringing the waka to Tauranga and the feasibility of placing it in the city centre,” says project initiator Sally Cooke.

As discussions progress to a feasibility and business case stage, Sally hopes to answer questions over whether it would be financially viable and beneficial on the Tauranga Waterfront.

'We are in the very early stages conceptually, of something we believe could be of significance and of value to the city and the region.

'And we're working with a number of local parties and stakeholders and organisations to make sure if it did go ahead it worked for everybody.”

She says this includes partnering with local iwi and all relevant parties.

'It's an ambitious project, but a fantastic opportunity for the city. What we are hoping to create is combining culture and innovation and technology into one centre.”

In one sense bringing the waka to Tauranga will be bringing it home.

Tauranga advertising agency Carlin Valenti was involved in the team that conceived the Waka Maori project prior to the RWC in 2011.

Then director Darrell Carlin says he had thought after the World Cup that the waka would be an ideal venue to have in Tauranga as a visitor arrival hall and information centre for cruise ship passengers.

'It was a project that was attacked more than any other in the RWC but it was the cheapest by a mile and in the end the most popular.

'As an events centre it is ideal particularly if it is focused on offshore visitors.

'We found foreign tourists wanted to see anything to do with Maori cultural stuff. Locals could take or leave it.”

The total cost was $1.8 million of which $900,000 was the cost of the waka and the other $900,000 was the cost of the performers and running events, says Darrell.

Tauranga Te Reo project manager Pat Spellman says an opportunity to place the waka on the Waterfront is one he fully supports.

'I can see this playing a huge role in housing Tauranga heritage and history - not only for the Pukehinahina exhibition but also as a house for other Tauranga displays of history; essentially progressing the concept of a Tauranga Museum.”

He says conversations with the three local iwi should be established to see what part, if any they'd like to play - including how contributions toward funding could be arranged.

'High profile businesses and other avenues of funding - this is not a Waka that's set sail up a stream of no hope and little options, this is an opportunity to become home to a piece of history, and add to our CBD revitalisation plans.”

Look out for Gail's feedback form in Friday's edition of The Weekend Sun.

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63 comments

Coronation Park

Posted on 04-09-2014 07:19 | By paci

Coronation Park would be a great location for this vessel - the Port of Tauranga should get behind this - it could be a Gateway to the city and it's rich cultural history!


Where should it go?

Posted on 04-09-2014 07:33 | By Captain Sensible

Either to a recycling plant or her front lawn. We rate payers do NOT, repeat, do NOT want it. This bunch of councillors got in saying that we must cut spending yada yada yada...yet want to spend our hard earned money on that!


Personally No Where in Tauranga

Posted on 04-09-2014 07:43 | By tabatha

The whaka looked ugly in Auckland, it was a bit of hype to get attention and failed, The number who saw it would have been more visitors to Auckland. If we do have to have it put it down Sulphur Point but not on the Strand. Once again we are having things put on us by the EM's without consultation. Someone needs to get a few by the ear lobe and explain how to talk and listen to those who elected them. If it was so good why is it not going back to Auckland? What will it cost us, and I do not believe nothing, it will cost ratepayers something that the should be going to infrastructure not toys for some to play with.


Why??

Posted on 04-09-2014 07:45 | By rayzgirl

why do we have to have this ugly monstrosity at all. We have a lovely waka of our own that I understand is moving onto the strand ? councillors should be trying to sort out our current debt not adding to it


See previous comments

Posted on 04-09-2014 08:12 | By Mary Faith

Gail Please refer to the "most commented" article 'Tuppewaka proposal for the Strand' heading the column on the right hand side of this page. You will be left in doubt as to what the community thinks of this daft idea!


why not mt beach?

Posted on 04-09-2014 09:08 | By jed

Council have killed so much parking at the Mt Main beach so what is anothe 20 or so carparks? I detest how this council tinkers with garbage projects...such as putting a retaining wall at the main beach too.


NO Winstonisms here!

Posted on 04-09-2014 10:00 | By How about this view!

NO doesn't mean yes on this occasion. Looking at the number of comments in a very short space of time would give MOST people a good idea of public sentiment on a subject. And here's me thinking that you were a smart accountant! WRONG AGAIN. And as for the statement 'I can see this playing a huge role in housing Tauranga heritage and history - not only for the Pukehinahina exhibition but also as a house for other Tauranga displays of history; essentially progressing the concept of a Tauranga Museum.” We already have a loss making Art gallery, why would we want to compound our losses with a Museum as well? Read the national press about Te Papa (A very timely story about Wellingtons white Elephant).


waka

Posted on 04-09-2014 10:04 | By dumbkof2

put it on the mud banks on the other side of the harbour then we wont have to look at it


It's Plastic... for goodness sake

Posted on 04-09-2014 10:18 | By Tassie

send it back to Auckland or if it's that important to the country to put it somewhere give it to Wellington.


recycle

Posted on 04-09-2014 10:35 | By peecee09

Just recycle this pile of plastic. They might get $30 which is $30 more than I would pay for it. Not for our town please!!!


Where should it go

Posted on 04-09-2014 10:56 | By BAATS

Fact is it should not come to anywhere here - I know it will not be a cost on the ratepayers but if you look over your shoulder think of the history and cost to us of the ferry - the fancy wharf re-arrangement - the floatign ex Navy workshop - a great idea for someone else to pick up - for Tauranga fiorget it.


Port of Tga

Posted on 04-09-2014 11:26 | By friendee

I initially thought leave it in Auckland but the biggest port in NZ, and they seem to have a good profit, have no Cruise Ship Terminal at all. Would look ok at the Mount wharf somewhere


Location and cost

Posted on 04-09-2014 11:36 | By Murray.Guy

To think it would be at NO cost to ratepayers is Crosby type spin. One way or another, the bill always lands back at the feet of our residents so let's not start of by kidding ourselves. There is potential, subject to costs, for Coronation Park as a very symbolic and viable welcoming and Information centre to Cruise Ship passengers and on land tourists. Another site worth looking at would be the former BMX site at Sulphur Point. But please, first identify what is the objective. If it is for the Pukehinahina Gate Pa display, forget it! This is more about greed than need, ego than best outcomes.


Personally I'd say....

Posted on 04-09-2014 12:02 | By URKidding

beside the Rena?


Waka ya thinking?

Posted on 04-09-2014 12:04 | By Disappointed

Placing this behemoth on our city waterfront is nothing short of laughable. It is an unwanted hand-me-down that literally had to be given away after the World Cup. Yes this city has need of exhibition space and tourist attractions but a giant plastic tent is both short sighted and a very poor alternative. The Strand deserves so much more.


Come on Now!

Posted on 04-09-2014 12:07 | By DAD

Why cant this Councillor see the residents and Ratepayers of Tauranga do not want this heap of junk!


Crosby Canoe

Posted on 04-09-2014 12:25 | By penguin

Gail, you live in la la land! The so-called waka is a piece of plastic crap and in no way even remotely represents genuine Maori 'heritage.” It is not even remotely authentic. I see the whole concept as being a means by which the current 'owners” can divest themselves of a heap of junk and fleece someone else for the ‘privilege' of ‘ownership.' At least you have the common sense to not want the monstrosity on the Strand. Council has spent megabucks on developing the Strand area into something that is aesthetically pleasing, relaxing and functional. Tell Crosby to take his canoe right out of the CBD - maybe the Kaituna Cut would be appropriate!


Waka proposal

Posted on 04-09-2014 12:34 | By MOULTRIE

If the waka is to be located in the city at no cost to the ratepayers then one of the proposed sites must be the former Leisure Island site at the Mount.


Where should the waka go?

Posted on 04-09-2014 13:14 | By Seagirl

Anywhere but around here!


.

Posted on 04-09-2014 13:18 | By maccachic

Straight to the tip. Why do they expect taxpayers to pay for this thing again thru their rates - we already own it - best recycle the thing


stick it

Posted on 04-09-2014 13:41 | By Ross01

stick it down out of sight at the historic village if we must have this monstrosity at all


Craziness!!!

Posted on 04-09-2014 13:47 | By cptn scully

What a stupid idea. The downtown does not have enough parking now and to think about putting this "thing" in the Strand car park is just ludicrous! We already have great venues for all sorts of events out at Baypark so not needed for that for sure. Just forget the whole idea I say and concentrate on being a councilor.


What is wrong with council?

Posted on 04-09-2014 14:04 | By dstewart

Over the years thousands of dollars have been spent on planning the strand extension and connecting the city to the sea. R they going to start all over again!! Dive Crescent needs rejuvenation. That area could benefit from the monstrous plastic thing they want to inflict on ratepayers but not a good idea.What are councilors thinking of! Learn your history!Don't repeat the mistakes of the past


Private Venture - Must Pay

Posted on 04-09-2014 14:06 | By Mary Faith

IF the THING does end up somewhere here - and heaven forbid that it does, then it has to be assumed that those who lease/own it will pay council a market rental for the space it occupies, parking upgrades, plumbing, water rates and all the other incidentals attached to its running and maintenance - as any private business venture would be required to do. As for where it should go - if it can't go beside the Rena, the former Leisure Island site is a good suggestion - from 'Maltznz' (above).


A Waka Cruise Ship Terminus

Posted on 04-09-2014 14:23 | By Scrotney

Place the "Tupperwaka" on Chelsea Wharf and use it as a cruise ship terminal. This could enhance Tauranga's reputation as one of the most popular cruise ship ports. We might also be able to hold some of these visitors in town a little longer to spend their money here rather than Rotorua et al.


Mountie

Posted on 04-09-2014 14:47 | By Mountie72

The obvious place for it would be at one of the local Marae's where it would be appreciated.


The further away the better

Posted on 04-09-2014 14:49 | By cliveL

Is the Tauranga Council bonkers. The last thing we need is a useless pile of plastic cluttering up our waterfront, blocking views of the harbour and costing a pile of rate payer money to maintain. Spend the money on something useful like free ice cream for kids every Friday after school.


Time Frame

Posted on 04-09-2014 15:54 | By DAD

For the short term of lease it wouldnt be worth erecting here considering the costs, and certainly not put it on our Strand reclamation!


Port of Tga

Posted on 04-09-2014 16:05 | By DAD

If it should go ahead I think Port of Tauranga to be the most sensible but only if it was purchased by the Port and became a permanent Fixture! Tcc Should have no say in the matter or be responsible for any costs!


Council to go ahead...

Posted on 04-09-2014 16:18 | By jed

Given the amount of public opposition to this it is now inevitable council will proceed with purchasing this monstrosity.


No thanks

Posted on 04-09-2014 16:45 | By Captain Sensible

It will somehow, sometime, in someway cost the ratepayers. There is no doubt about that.


Boat Float

Posted on 04-09-2014 16:46 | By Rusty Kane

I'm sure there are a lot of us that like to tell her where to put it. but are far too polite.


Not rate payer funded??

Posted on 04-09-2014 16:59 | By mattbop

If Priority One is involved it is all ready rate payer funded isn't it? It's great you want to give tourists something to do in TGA, but maybe you should focus on giving the locals more to do, after all, it's our money you are always wasting. No matter how much you try to sugar coat the waka, ratepayers will end up footing the bill in some way or another.


Why

Posted on 04-09-2014 17:11 | By Capt_Kaveman

Doesn't just go back to where she came from and take it with her


Plastic fantastic - NOT

Posted on 04-09-2014 17:33 | By penguin

Gail, the so-called waka is a piece of plastic junk and in no way represents 'genuine” Maori heritage. It is not even remotely authentic. I see the whole concept as being a means by which the current 'owners” can divest themselves of this liability and flog it off for the ‘privilege' of ‘ownership.' At least you have the common sense to not want the monstrosity on the Strand. Council has spent megabucks on developing the Strand area into something that is aesthetically pleasing, relaxing and functional. Crosby should take this ugly piece of tupperware right out of the CBD and put it somewhere else. Maybe the Kaituna Cut would be appropriate?


Float ya boat

Posted on 04-09-2014 17:53 | By YOGI BEAR

Perhaps could be setup to float about at Baypark when the next jet boat event happens.


In the Bin!!

Posted on 04-09-2014 18:22 | By EyeSplice

A totally senseless and extravagant waste of time, money, space & energy. To even consider the thought is ludicrous.


Overit

Posted on 04-09-2014 18:43 | By overit

Friendee is on the mark. Use it as a Cruise Ship Terminal in Auckland.


It should go..

Posted on 04-09-2014 20:17 | By Bobby

Above the astrolabe reef, and be sunk, plenty of plastic pollution there already so it won't make too much difference...


UP AND UNDER

Posted on 04-09-2014 20:36 | By CONDOR

@Gail McIntosh let me tell you where this lozenge(pear) shaped thing should go -its somewhere where the sun don't shine.Got the message yet - the huge majority of ratepayers have judging by the comments.Over and out.


First Things First

Posted on 04-09-2014 20:46 | By jpen

The Mayor has been emphasising the need to reduce Council spending and is reducing council services and manpower to meet budget. There are plans to enhance the area along the waterfront and create parks for the people off Tauranga. Plans have already been outlined to move our authentic Waka to a prominent position in the zone. Why do we have to have a plastic fantastic sitting in comparison? I would prefer the Mayor and his Councillors to spend more time on maintaining our trees and ensuring our Parks do not deteriorate. Leave the Waka to Trade Me Buyers!!


Gimme a 'like' button please!

Posted on 04-09-2014 20:53 | By sojourner

I would so love to 'LIKE all these comments. Yay! for all of you and maybe y'all should be on Tauranga City Council instead of these numbskulls who seem to have lost their minds. If there is going to be a Waka on the waterfront, use the money that would (Cripes NO!) be spent on this brainless project for the real thing instead. Tourists coming to NZ want to see the real thing, not some piece of plastic fantastic they can see anywhere else in the world.


Maori waka

Posted on 04-09-2014 21:02 | By jellio

No! No! the waka pavilion is a monstrosity


Maori waka

Posted on 04-09-2014 21:02 | By jellio

No! No! the waka pavilion is a monstrosity


Gail, Gail, Gail

Posted on 04-09-2014 22:19 | By Fonzie

The thing is hideous read the comments and forget it and let someone use it for a tomato greenhouse or whatever


Auckland

Posted on 04-09-2014 22:25 | By mutley

would be a great place for the waka.


Not on the strand!

Posted on 05-09-2014 02:02 | By K72

The strand is really taking shape - people are beginning to use it on a regular basis. It would be a mistake to put it there. 'We found foreign tourists wanted to see anything to do with Maori cultural stuff. Locals could take or leave it.” Because of the quote in the article - and based on conversations I've had with tourists here - I think it would be a good idea to house the waka on a local Marae. It would enhance the experience for the tourists whilst at the same time, generate revenue for its hosts. I wonder also if there would be future opportunities to expand the experience and generate additional income.


An industrial area privately funded

Posted on 05-09-2014 09:11 | By Annalist

The only place for something as ugly as this would be in an industrial zone alongside various sheds. But even more than that, Council needs to realise that it has no place in business ventures and must stick to the basics.


Welliwood

Posted on 05-09-2014 09:36 | By mouldy

Let it go to Welliwood. Their tastes are identical. Anyway but here


Not council business

Posted on 05-09-2014 13:33 | By The Tomahawk Kid

Where should it go? Anywhere a PRIVATE ENTERPRISE wants to put it - thats where it should go! IT should NOT be anything to do with council or a council initiative / or ratepayer funded. A private initiative? - Yes Im all for it - bring it on A Council project? - They should not even waste a moment thinking about it - get back to COUNCIL work. Leave the entertainment business to those who are qualified. This is not council business.


Waaakaa!!

Posted on 05-09-2014 13:51 | By Me again

Why are these people even considering buying this stupid thing. If they want something that hideous then put it in their garden. A piece each then swap around every so often. It is not even worth as a museum and a slap in the face for Tauranga residents not to mention the CBD businesses that are already finding it hard to attract customers $$$$. Sure way to turn tourist away. They see enough plastic replicates all over the place.Probably not as hideous as that thing. Next the sky city tower of Auckl. when its used by date is up WOW!!.


Sink the Ugly thing

Posted on 05-09-2014 17:08 | By Summerfreeze

I would prefer if it didn't come at all. Its an eyesore but if the Maori want it I suggest they put it out at Motiti.


Gail

Posted on 06-09-2014 08:44 | By penguin

Surely, by reading the flood of comments on both links on Sunlive, you will have drawn a conclusion by now as to what people think of the concept of this eyesore on the Strand (or anywhere else)? The idea must be breaking the record for ANTI feelings!!


DUMP IT WHERE IT BELONGS

Posted on 06-09-2014 09:27 | By crazyhorse

Where ever the Marae of Ngati Whatua o Orakei is, that's where it belongs. "DUMP" IT THERE!.


Plastic rubbish

Posted on 06-09-2014 10:33 | By mouldy

No in the Bay of Plenty. Sell it to the Chinese


Mouldy

Posted on 07-09-2014 09:57 | By YOGI BEAR

The Chinese are certainly clever and bright enough to figure it is worthless and in fact a liability. If it was not then this debate would not exist as the whole thing would have gone to China a decade ago ...


Waka

Posted on 07-09-2014 16:04 | By wendygalloway3@gmail.com

As far away as possible


Anywhere But Here

Posted on 08-09-2014 15:33 | By carpedeum

Dont even consider it TCC- PERRRR-LEEEASE !!!!


Bright Idea!!!

Posted on 09-09-2014 17:11 | By Taffy

Yet another bright idea from Crosby he never ceases to amaze who wants to spend 80c posting in that feedback form just look at the comments!!Should be put where the sun don,t shine. A second thought on Crosby where the hell is your 100day vision that we are still waiting on never published to the public.


Where should it go?

Posted on 11-09-2014 15:23 | By Rod Jones

What about next to the Rena?


Dump

Posted on 14-09-2014 15:12 | By YOGI BEAR

Not Tauranga, "walk away ..."


@ Rod

Posted on 14-09-2014 16:56 | By YOGI BEAR

yes agree completely, best place for it so long as no cost to ratepayers to bring it here to Tauranga to be able to dump it.


Plastic Waka

Posted on 03-10-2014 13:09 | By jeancraven@kinect.co.nz

By Granny Under no circumstances should the BOP be landed with this monstrosity which must incur some maintenance costs!


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