Warning over funeral costs

Katikati pensioner Ken Allen is warning elderly people about the costs of funerals – and Work and Income New Zealand's role in assisting in paying for them.

Ken says many pensioners have a mistaken belief WINZ will help with funeral costs even if they have savings – and that's wrong.


Ken Allen had to move out of his home due to lack of funds after paying for his wife's funeral.

After Ken's wife Rona died last November, the 82-year-old says WINZ forced him to use the couple's joint savings to pay for her funeral and wouldn't pay any assistance to allow him to remain in his Waikanae flat.

With joint savings totalling about $8700 when Rona died, her funeral costs were $7367. WINZ told Ken he had to pay the lot because he had more in savings than the WINZ asset limit of $1720.

'I was in a unit in Waikanae paying $500 a fortnight for rent plus water rates,” says Ken.

'After the first living alone allowance came through I paid up all the rent and everything, and it left $120 to live off for the two weeks.

'During that period of time I had to see a doctor. That cost $50 plus prescriptions because I wasn't feeling too well. It was impossible for me to live there.”

Ken's now living in the RSA village at Katikati. One of his sons put his name in for it. He's in a single unit at less than half the price of what he was paying in Waikanae.

He's written to politicians about the treatment he received from WINZ.

Ken received a reply from Social Development Minister Paula Bennett's office, which suggested his best option was to set up a ‘funeral account or funeral plan'.

'If the money the constituent had set apart for his own funeral was kept in a funeral account or funeral plan this would not be considered in assessing the $1718.52 asset limit.

'I would suggest that your constituent now set up a funeral plan for himself, which may mean that he would be eligible for other third tier assistance should the need arise.”

But Ken says: 'How can you do that when you're living off the pension?”

The Social Security Act 1964 states a single person can only have assets of $1031.31 and a married person $1718.12.

But houses, cars, boats aren't classified as assets – WINZ only looks at what money is in applicants' bank accounts.

'You could own a house worth half a million, or a million dollars, and have motor vehicles, boats and God knows what.

'If your partner passed away you could sell them and get the cash, and they don't classify it as access cash.”

The maximum WINZ funeral grant is $1998.57, which is thousands less than the maximum $5879.81 paid by ACC for funeral expenses following an accidental death – and it's not means-tested.

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13 comments

hoping

Posted on 02-07-2014 07:50 | By hoping

Why spend over $7000


kathleen

Posted on 02-07-2014 07:58 | By hoping

Why pay over $7000 for a funeral? Has he not heard of Affordable Cremations or Hope Funeral Services? Plain & simple at less than half the cost!


Answer for Everything

Posted on 02-07-2014 08:08 | By freedomkiwis

Paula Bennett has an answer for everything and clearly has absolutely no empathy whatsoever. What an insult to suggest this man set up his own funeral plan - heeellllooo, does she not actually understand what he is receiving each week?


funeral insurance

Posted on 02-07-2014 11:08 | By rotovend

if people are worried that they cant afford funerals for their loved ones simple just get funeral insurance its not up to the government to pay for everything in life


Easily Understood. A Predicament

Posted on 02-07-2014 13:07 | By Bill Gibson-Patmore

Ken is bold to have come out with this story. I imagine he is still greaving, and dealing with further life-issues on top of that. Previous writers have had comments, but perhaps they could have been put in a nicer, or less accusatory way. Ken wasn't in the zone of your recommended Funeral Director at the time. For me, it seems easy to understand that the predicament of facing major decisions - with impending urgency - when one is within hours of having grief strike, let alone facing the agility-constraints of elder age and poor health of one's own. It's the urgency of the situation, together with the passionate desire to cherish a dead wife, and perceived expectations of loved ones, that creates situations which even an experienced Funeral Director may not fully understand the need to economise on. And, some FD are not in the economy business atall.


funeral cost

Posted on 02-07-2014 13:11 | By Seb

Kathleen & hoping. How much do you think a funeral cost $7k is pretty average


Funeral Costs

Posted on 02-07-2014 13:28 | By admin@toddgower.co.nz

We at Todd Gower Funeral Services are here to tailor make Funeral Services for your loved ones in line with your budget which is why we offer an 'Essential Care' starting from $1890. Your loved ones are important to us, but just as important is not leaving families in financial hardship over funeral costs.


Sympathy

Posted on 02-07-2014 13:53 | By Jitter

I feel very sorry Ken and know there must be many people in NZ in the same position. To say he should have taken out insurance is ridiculous as it is pretty clear that he would not have been able to afford that either. There should be a limit set on how much in the way of savings people are allowed to have before WINZ says they have to pay for the funeral themselves. Perhaps a max of $10,000 which is not very much these days. It also sounds as though Ken was not in the Tauranga area at the time his wife died so perhaps was unable to take advantage of the lower priced funeral services. Give the poor guy a break.


Funeral

Posted on 02-07-2014 14:28 | By fletch

Good heavens, Why should the funeral be paid for by WINZ. If that was to happen then the department would be in huge debt and you wouldnt even get the pension.


Ken makes a good point

Posted on 02-07-2014 14:29 | By Charlene

This is a good article as it addresses misconceptions some may have about the role of WINZ. Its just unfortunate that Ken found out about this too late for him and his wife, which is really sad.


An alternative thought

Posted on 02-07-2014 16:04 | By nerak

Whilst I am sad for Ken, perhaps the funeral director should bear some fault here. These people arrive at the doorstep of the bereaved professing their care and understanding. Make no mistake, when you are down is a good time to pick your pockets. Funerals with trimmings are not cheap, but even in the area Ken was at the time, I am sure costs could have been cut. It is high time FDANZ came out with transparent costs/fees, which all their members should adhere to, and a full breakdown of costs should be shown to the bereaved BEFORE PLANS PROCEED. There is no care or understanding from one who can, quite literally, fleece a pensioner of 7 k plus. Funeral directors, after all, run a business to make profit.


The Rubbish Sack

Posted on 02-07-2014 16:38 | By The author of this comment has been removed.

The ad on TV tells me that I could be put out on the road in a rubbish sack. Thanks for the wonderful information that I can't be. I guess it's 50 cents week till ......??


SAD

Posted on 02-07-2014 16:47 | By SuzieQue

I cannot believe some of these heartless replies from people. Know wonder the World is the way it is. None of you know why or what may have occurred in this Gentleman's life as to why he was in the position he was. How dare you judge and hope to God you are never in the same position.


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