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Papamoa residents are expressing their displeasure at the lack of efficiency, and timeliness, of the city’s bus service.

Debs Turner and Adrian Muller, of Papamoa, are upset about the current bus situation in operating through the Western Bay of Plenty.

Passengers are unhappy with the current bus situation operating in the Western Bay of Plenty. Photo: Bruce Barnard.

Debs, who uses the service most days to travel to Tauranga Hospital where she volunteers in the children’s ward, says the scheduling of buses to and from Papamoa means some of her time is lost.

“A lot of their buses leave at the same time - especially on the weekend. On the Saturday, at Bayfair, one leaves at 3pm, the next one leaves at 3.05pm and the other one leaves at 3.15pm. They can’t seem to understand that that’s a problem.

“They told me that was my problem to make sure I’m there on time. But that’s not always practical.”

Debs says a 45-minute wait results if a person just misses the 3.15pm bus.

“At the hot pools, if you miss the Number 30 you have to wait an hour or catch three buses to get back to Papamoa. They say to walk from the hot pools down to the Mount but a lot of old people can’t do that.”

Adrian shared Debs’ concern about the frequency of the buses, and has captured photographs of two buses approaching the Papamoa depot at once.

He is grateful for the ‘comprehensive’ coverage of the district, but believes the manner in which the service is structured to be inefficient.

“I cannot help but wonder at what seems to be an awful lot of wastage of ratepayers’ money here.  Day after day I see buses going right down to the east end of Papamoa which, except for the driver, are completely empty both ways. 

“I have suggested using much smaller buses, or cutting the frequency of the service in the furthermost parts of the run, to save costs.

“Whilst I will be ever grateful to Winston Peters in giving us retirees a Gold Card to allow free use of these buses, when I eventually have to give up driving, I am most worried that by running these buses empty all day, the TCC will cut the service, and we will all lose out. 

“Even if one of the buses stayed parked at the Palm Beach mall, and the driver read the paper, while the other did its usual near-empty run, this would save the running costs and fuel, and save other road users having to accommodate buses on the very narrow back-roads they travel, like Dickson Road.”

Bay of Plenty Regional Council transport policy manager Garry Maloney says the council constantly reviews and monitors all services, including the three bus routes to Papamoa, to ensure each runs as efficiently as possible.

“During weekdays Route 30 is an hourly service and Routes 33 and 36 are half-hourly. However, during weekends there are less passengers and these services are hourly.  

“The three Papamoa routes have seen good growth since 2009, going from having  184,990 passengers during the period from July 2009 to December 2009 to 259,500 passengers during the period between July 2011 and December 2011 – a rise of more than 40 per cent.

“We work hard to try to stagger departures to similar destinations as best as we can, however we have identified the Papamoa weekend timetables as routes that need some work and we are looking into this.

“We apologise to those who have found this an inconvenience.”


 

Comments

ADRIAN

Posted on 05-08-2012 11:11 | By TERMITE

Yes agree, it is useful and even on the main routes few are "on the buses" all reflects the need of a change in the timetable would make that better.

OMG people....If you have problems buy a car

Posted on 03-08-2012 12:59 | By gg.sw

I think you should count yourself lucky Deb Turner. You have transport to and from point A and point B. I havnt done my research but im pretty sure it cost alot to run a bus. Ive used the hopper service since i was at intermediate, im now at uni. It was great. I use to use it to travel from Welcome Bay to Papamoa to work and i would always be on time. If you miss the bus maybe you need to plan more and leave a little earlier. Id like to see debs or adrian try to rescheadual the buses in a way that suites every individual person with the same resources and amount of money the bay hoppers use. Maybe if catch the bus is too much of a problem buy a car...pay for petrol, WOF, Registration, Maintainance etc....then see how much you value the bus system

Tell the TCC

Posted on 02-08-2012 16:56 | By Adrian Muller

I thought this topic had run its course, however I see it is now at the top of the "most commented" list. So maybe any readers who know our Mayor, or have the ear of a Councillor, might invite them to look at this interchange of views. As I have said before, I am worried that the bus service will be completely cut in the future just when I need it, as I get too decrepit to drive myself around,. Last night I saw a huge bus travelling into town down Hewletts Road, with just one passenger, so it is just not the outer limits of bus runs that are not utilised.

ALL BUT COMMON SENSE ABOVE

Posted on 31-07-2012 14:59 | By PLONKER

Looks to me to be more like a shambles, if the bus routes and timetable were sorted out a bit better then the overall cost to ratepayers would be less, that means less wastage, less officials and most likely more buses available when they are needed rather than that they just trundle around the streets for no apparent reason.

ADRIAN

Posted on 28-07-2012 16:33 | By TERMITE

We I think all agree about the fact that it is great that the buses are there and all that, what I think the most important aspects of all the comments below is: inefficent bus timetables, wastage of money from ratepayers, the huge cost regardless. That much could be done to remedy all of this but of course as in most councils there is no need at all to even think about it as the money just keeps coming every day of every year.

Common sense needed

Posted on 24-07-2012 11:45 | By Adrian Muller

Having read through sll the ’comments’ about these buses, I would just reiterate a couple of points. While not yet using buses, I value their presence, and fear the present non-usage of them will mean we lose the service entirely. It was Winston Peters who got pensioners Gold Cards so we can travel freely in off-peak hours, and for these we ought to be grateful. There needs to be some common sense, (which is remarkably uncommon these days), regarding routes and timings. Why cannot buses takes slightly different routes if one service follows another , often at the sasme time. For example,have one bus go past the new Papamoa College, on Doncaster Road, instead of two buses following each other down the very narrow Dickson Road. I have heard that buses serving Cherrywood take a circuitous route into town via Bellevue and Judea, taking about 20 minutes, so why cannot some of these buses go direct to the CBD occasionally in about 5 minutes, in a timetabled slot.

KIRRIE

Posted on 23-07-2012 16:19 | By PLONKER

You of all should be seeking for there to be a change of bus routes then, or perhaps you could explain yourself a bit better.

Bus Service

Posted on 22-07-2012 17:26 | By Kirrie

Plonker you are well named

FAR INCREASES

Posted on 22-07-2012 16:54 | By PLONKER

30 cents a passenger will mean about 55 cents increase per bus trip i.e. Papamoa to the CBD, that is not much. based on the cost increases like fuel and wages there is little chance of the cost to ratepayers changing without some realistic change in attitude regarding efficiencies in the timetables.

UNDER THE INFLUENCE

Posted on 20-07-2012 21:26 | By PLONKER

Results in bad eyesight, seems to me that the bus setup is a complete failure and like so many Council schemes the ratepayers pay the bills.

DONT FORGET THE DRIVER!

Posted on 20-07-2012 13:56 | By YOGI

One of the two remaining would haev been the driver as they are not allowed to leave the bus, he had to be there so that means there is only one passenger.

SCAMBUSTER

Posted on 19-07-2012 21:10 | By YOGI

Mate I think you were under the influence and had blurred vision it would have only been two in reality, just looked like 4 that all.

YAHOO GO BUSES

Posted on 19-07-2012 20:13 | By Scambuster

Counted 4 people on a bus at one of the main Tauranga staging posts today a new bus loading record but on reflection I saw another bus yesterday with no passengers so it sort of evened out.

SLIENCE IS GOLDEN

Posted on 19-07-2012 12:06 | By PLONKER

Seems amazing that the RBOP has failed to present any further opinion on the obvious here about the efficencies of the buses, timetable or anything, typical head in the sand.

COST RISE

Posted on 18-07-2012 16:47 | By TERMITE

The price rise will not offset the cost rises, fuel and road user charges will still go up. Bottom line is that means more rates to pay the shortfall of what these officials have created. I think they should pay the bills then see how long it takes to remedy the losses then - Citizens Monitouring Council.

PRICE RISE ...

Posted on 18-07-2012 13:44 | By TERMITE

With an average passanger rate of 1.8/trip the 30-40 cents increase is not exactly going to help out the fragile ratepayer finances any time soon. In fact the 259,500 passengers in six months means 519,000pa, @ 30 cents each will bring in about $170,000pa, that is hardly going to make much of a dent in the $10,000,000 ratepayer subsidy that is already therer. Where is the relief from all of this burden from ratepayers?

keep eyes and wits about you always

Posted on 16-07-2012 14:28 | By MINDER

traceybjammet ----what do you mean criticising people who have nothing better to do than count passengers on the buses. Well if you have your wits about you can’t help but notice the shortage of passengers whether you are driving or walking.If you don’t notice things like that you shouldn’t have a licence so hand it back.

SPACE CADET RAMJET!

Posted on 16-07-2012 14:18 | By TERMITE

I see your comments about numbers and who has got the time and all that, but well it is easy to see what is going on, little time is needed to count that there are in fact no passengers on a bus most occasions. So what are you on about, go look for yourself, would help if you did as we are all paying for this and other shambles.

SINKING LID BUDGET

Posted on 16-07-2012 14:13 | By TERMITE

That is what is needed, failure to meet budget means a cut in wages for the officials, that would provide a suitable focus of a very clear nature. The budget would be achieved every year, no problem!

LOOKS BAD

Posted on 15-07-2012 10:56 | By PLONKER

Officials are trying to run a bus service, they are loosing $10m+ pa, these losses would not occur in private busienss, real decisions would be made and have to be made to fix that. There is a need for a bus service but not at this cost to ratepayers, clearly the service provided could be better, when that is done then you have more income and loess costs, surely that is a good idea for all!

WHAT POSITIVE MEANS IN

Posted on 13-07-2012 16:46 | By YOGI

It means more losses and in fact the bigger the better, more costs, and less revenue coming in.

BETTER PLAN

Posted on 13-07-2012 08:50 | By PLONKER

It is all about buses moving than moving for some useful reason, it is all about counting numbers the result of that means a bigger loss for ratepayers, some $10 million a year apparently.

RBOP - ABILITY HERE

Posted on 12-07-2012 13:46 | By YOGI

take something and change it for no apparent reason so it looses even more than ever could be expected or even planned for.

NUMBERS

Posted on 11-07-2012 15:26 | By TERMITE

Even RBOP numbers are unbelievably high, the simple task of a glance at a Bay Hopper bus on any given day means that you will be most likely to see no passengers, even on a "good day" you maybe will see 1-2 passengers. This is not a good look, it means that the services is seldom used, by few and for a huge cost to ratepayers. The answer is to align the services provided to the needs of users or shut it down, that is commercial reality, but that is actually the problem because the wobbles at RBOP dont have to make a dollar, in fact the more they loose the better it would seem.

EMERGENCY CALL OUT ...

Posted on 11-07-2012 10:56 | By TERMITE

Calling all Hopper passengers ... the call is meet with utter silence as there are none.

COUNTING PASSENGERS

Posted on 10-07-2012 14:27 | By TERMITE

The number reported above are plan to see, the empty buses are easyt o see and certianly does not take much to figure how many passengers they each have when the fact is they are "empty". Not so long ago the RBOP solution to a bit of robust critisium about empty buses was to enhance the window tinting so "Joe public" who is paying the bills via rates can not see the truth and so is "kept in the dark". Better idea would be to actually fix the timetable, put the bus routes where the passengers are, I agree with RORTSCAM, a clockwise and anticlockwise bus would address many issues, then other buses would do return trips from the ring bus stops to the CBD etc, call it a logical and obvious answer and of course more efficient and more useful to more users. But of course in official-dom can not possible have that now can we.

Bus Service

Posted on 09-07-2012 11:18 | By Kirrie

class yourself as lucky. I have to walk over 1 klm to get to my nearest bus stop and I live in Brookfield, As for the the people knocking the pensioners,with a bit of luck you will live to pick one up and remember we had no bus service in our younger day and had to walk or bike everywhere or stay at home.

PERIMETER CITY BUS SERVICE

Posted on 09-07-2012 09:59 | By RORTSCAM

Residents /Passengers and others have every reason to be upset with how this failing bus service operates because in the end through Bay Regional Council Rates they pay for it.It is currently not providing any value for the money being thrown at it.I agree with others who have regularly called for a 1/2hour city perimeter bus service travelling both ways from Mount/Bayfair/Papamoa/Welcome Bay/Barkes Corner/Greerton/Hospital/Courthouse/Tauranga Central/Mount.


Posted on 08-07-2012 19:39 | By Dollie

All elderly should get Gold Cards.I don’t agree with means testing. Disability does not discriminate whether you are wealthy or not. I have children who are students at BOP Polytech flatting on Papamoa Beach Road. They would gladly use the buses but it takes so long to get there.I think there is a long wait in the city. Can BOPRC look at what they can do for students please.

wondering

Posted on 08-07-2012 18:56 | By traceybjammet

who are all these people that have nothing better to do than count passengers on buses and would a mini-van actually cost less?? or is that like all the massive four wheel drives driving around the suburbs just silly . All this carry on and whining about trying to have a great bus service. People are doing their best and it will only get better and I for one use the buses alot

Blind drivers

Posted on 08-07-2012 18:30 | By pomfart

My wife catches an early morning bus every morning in the Mount and on several occasions it has driven straight by without stopping, even though she is in bright clothing and waving her arms about. All that and there are just 2 people on it. Do the drivers think it exists just to keep them warm for 8 hours a day and in pocket? Passengers pay wages!! Look out for them.

None users

Posted on 08-07-2012 14:57 | By Starling

It always amuses me when none users of a service be it buses or goldcards or any thing else have so much to say. Being a frequent user of the bus I agree that the time of the Papamoa services could be better spread at the weekend. It is understandable some buses appear to run empty for some of thier route as we all travel at different times.

What a stupid argument

Posted on 08-07-2012 10:28 | By Phailed

If I just "miss a bus" that’s my fault. Saying bus frequencies should be greater because I might miss my bus just doesn’t wash with me. Learn to be on time. Don’t expect other BOP ratepayers to subsidise your transport even more than they already do.

GOLD CARDS

Posted on 08-07-2012 01:36 | By PLONKER

Why should al teh hard working people in Tauranga pay more than a pensioner? That means the workers are paying twice to go once? How fair is that, everyone should pay there own way. If there is to be a fare adjustment I think it should be on weight not age as that relates to fule consumption and cost of the bus.

great service

Posted on 07-07-2012 19:28 | By traceybjammet

yep all public transport has some problems but overall I think they do a great job. I do find the timetables a bit hard to read and the website route planner is a bit useless. I cant frive or afford to own a car so as I pay rates too just like the people that drive on roads there is a need for public transport. From experience in other countries I have learnt that you work out what time the bus actually arrives and you be there for it as much as they try timetables cant always be kept and the drivers and company are not late or early on purpose and as for gold card users the tax-payers and rate-payers pay for that not Winston. I do think pensioners should get a discount but like everything some abuse the system. A pensioner card should be means-tested and discounts given on all things basic like electricity etc obviosly there is already rates etc discounts and as for less road-space?? the idea is to get people out of their cars

Brenda

Posted on 07-07-2012 18:11 | By

Passengers who live in Karewa Parade are entitled to the same level of service as other parts of Papamoa. We probably pay more rates in our street than other parts to justify our service.

wondering

Posted on 07-07-2012 17:10 | By sangrae

what planet is garry maloney on,who records the passenger numbers,isuggest they are greatly overstated by either go bus or boprc i travelled from fifteen ave to mount pools today return 3 passengers over and 4 back come on boprc grget it right once and for all.


Posted on 07-07-2012 17:06 | By Adrian Muller

This quote about the number of passengers: "July 2009 to December 2009 to 259,500 passengers during the period between July 2011 and December 2011" I reckon is a complete lie. I challenge anyone to look at the buses in Papamoa East any day- any time, and see if there are more than three people on board, let alone the early morning and late night runs when there is NOBODY. I tried to tell the powers-that-be, to consider altering the routes of some of these three services so they go down Doncaster Ave, not the narrow Dickson Road, to go past the new Papamoa College, then out to the "Hub" at the Tara Road round-aboutwhere there is a retirement Village. No response, even the this Weekend Sun did not bother to mention it either. I raised it at a meeting of the Pamaoa Progressive Association, where Mayor Crosby was speaking: no response there either. Oh well, we ratepayers have deep pockets, and it is keeping a heap of bus drivers in employment!

Meanwhile...

Posted on 07-07-2012 16:56 | By DRich

Meanwhile, in the mean streets of Bellevue, the buses seem well-patronised whenever myself and the kids use them. Was packed going into town on Thursday. Any routes that are not utilised should be culled, and bugger the whingers who want it both ways

OFFICIALS FAIL AT IT

Posted on 07-07-2012 14:31 | By PLONKER

hard to find a bus with more than 2-3 people on board at one time, most buses may as well have the "out of service" sign up as no one is on board. The numbers recorded above sound huge but when compared to the number of buses, drivers and especially passengers/bus route it is a massive disaster all at ratepayers expense.

THREE BUSES

Posted on 07-07-2012 13:14 | By YOGI

Less passengers, said above that 259,500 passengers in six months, that is 1387 a day, and if there are 5 buses an hour in the week and three per hour at the weekend means 1.86 passangers each way, i.e. to papamoa is separate to the return trip. Looks like Debs Turner is 50% of the passanger numbers from the Papamoa area. What a joke it all is, a Mini van at a fraction of the cost would be a huge cost reduction and less road space used.

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