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A Tauranga representative is looking to put straight some of the misconceptions about Treaty of Waitangi settlements at a public forum at Baycourt tonight.

Tommy ‘Kapai’ Wilson believes a lot of angst over the treaty is caused by half-truths about the treaty he will facilitate a hui chaired by Graeme Elvin from 7pm tonight.


A haka performed at the historic Treaty of Waitangi settlement signing between the crown and Ngati Ranginui in Pyes Pa last week.

The meeting is open to anyone with an interest in cultural redress, treaty claims or New Zealand history with other speakers including Antione Coffin, Ngati Ranginui, Charlie Tawhaio, Ngai Te Rangi and Awanui Black, Ngati Pukenga.

 “We’re providing a platform for people to ask questions about the treaty settlement process, where the money is going and who is going to benefit,” says Tommy.

“There are always some grey areas, so we’re providing an opportunity for people to come along and hear representatives of each of the three Tauranga iwi and council representatives.

“It is part of what we want to look at in how we can heal rifts between Maori and the Church,” says Tommy.

“It is a continuation of the work we carry out on the anniversary of the battles at Gate Pa and Pyes Pa. We come to together to get an understanding of each other and to overcome the problems that arise when the Bible and the barrel clash.”

In 1864 imperial troops arrived at Gate Pa and took control of the recently completed mission institute building.

Reverend A N Brown was apparently torn between loyalty to the Maori people and his natural bonds with his fellow countrymen.

A gate in the southern boundary fence of the mission land allowed travellers access to a traditional Maori track down the Te Papa Peninsula.

A pa was built near this gate, and the ensuing battle which took place on 21 April 1864, has become known as the battle of Gate Pa.

The reverend was required to bury Maori converts, as well as the English, including all but one of the officers who had dined with him at the mission house on the eve of the battle.

Soldier settlers were given land previously occupied by Maori. The mission land was surrounded by land confiscated by the Government. Maori were forced to abandon ancestral land, and inevitably the work of the mission declined.    

Tonight’s forum is being run by Te Kohinga in conjunction with Tauranga City Council.


 

Comments

RETREATY?

Posted on 23-07-2012 16:18 | By PLONKER

Yes that is more like it, in fact for some tribes it is the fourth "final settlement".

TREATY OR RETREAT?

Posted on 22-07-2012 22:51 | By YOGI

The latter looks more like it.

TREATY OR

Posted on 22-07-2012 16:55 | By PLONKER

Looks more like the latter than anything.

THE TREATY

Posted on 13-07-2012 08:52 | By PLONKER

The real one is all about "one people", no beaches, no forests, no fish and certainly no water problems like now. This is all out of hand and getting worse fast, all of this jsut creates discord i.e. Syria type end result.

FLYING A KITE

Posted on 12-07-2012 13:48 | By YOGI

More like a plane, they wont want teh air but will take the planes, even though there were none here then.

SUCKING WOND OUTTA THAT

Posted on 11-07-2012 10:54 | By TERMITE

I can see any real basis for all of this "water" claim, next Maori will be claiming all teh seas between the Pacific Islands and NZ just becasue the boat they were on drifted by accident this way. Then of course that means the Vikings, Arabs, Dutch and English to name a few pre maori groups that were in NZ surely have the same or perhaps a better claim. None of this seems at all real, just complete nonsense.

AVATAR

Posted on 10-07-2012 14:17 | By TERMITE

AIR, WATER, EARTH AND FIRE ... all a bit silly really, started as the riverbed, beaches and foreshore, now the forests, fish, water and that leads back to air I am sure! Does that then mean that if I shall we say burp from both ends that I get a refund? I should actually get a bonus as it has been enriched naturally and of course in a "green way".

SO NZ BELONGS TO THE

Posted on 08-07-2012 01:46 | By PLONKER

the real question is who are they? Anyway I agree that the deal with Maori was with the Queen not NZers, so perhaps a ship should be laid on for Maori to go visit the Queen and sort all out in the UK? While there all could go and see Manchester where all the imported folk for many a place far away now reside, good luck walking through there and seeing daylight out the other end.

RED HEADS AND MORE

Posted on 05-07-2012 21:21 | By PLONKER

They were here at least 1500 years before Maori, Maori were in NZ no soon than 1400 probably later.

RED HEADS AND MORE

Posted on 05-07-2012 21:21 | By PLONKER

They were here at least 1500 years before Maori, Maori were in NZ no soon than 1400 probably later.

MORIORI

Posted on 04-07-2012 18:26 | By PLONKER

But no not for them, there was many others there well prior to that.

MORIORI

Posted on 03-07-2012 22:03 | By PLONKER

Here in NZ before Maori, so all claims really should be for given to Moriori, that would be fair for sure.

TAINUI

Posted on 03-07-2012 10:56 | By PLONKER

I hope that they make a lot of money, then when the Treaty document properly translated and corrected then that will be a huge windfall for Moriori then

STACKED DECK

Posted on 03-07-2012 00:45 | By PLONKER

Then a continuous gravy train thereafter ...

TREATY CLAIMS

Posted on 02-07-2012 16:54 | By PLONKER

The legislation enacted in 1975 was not based on a treaty document that was actually signed by Maori. Even Hobson said the Maori version was the only real one.

CONSPIRACY THEORY

Posted on 30-06-2012 23:52 | By PLONKER

Lots of info on line about pre-maori and that means even before Moriori. The english version of the treaty enacted is a fake, the real one is in Maori, that is the one that was wanted by Maori and signed by Maori. It said things like people of NZ in partnership ... it does not mention beaches, forests or fish rights in anyway.

SHORT NOTICE

Posted on 29-06-2012 15:17 | By PLONKER

Of course that was the plan so as the majority, if not all attending were the invitiees wanted only, call it a stacked deck.

DONT WANT ANY OTHER OPINION

Posted on 28-06-2012 12:45 | By TERMITE

Just to hear what we "want to hear" don’t let anyone say anything else as well the wombles up front may not like to hear that, just invite the faithful non thinking support crew to keep a lid on it, maintain the warm fuzzies ...

Future Such Meetings

Posted on 27-06-2012 09:02 | By Jitter

Awanui states "Looking forward to more of the same". In future lets hope the pre meeting publicity is widespread and circulated at least two weeks before the planned date. The meeting attendance could then be overwhelming. The so called "negative commentators" probably did not attend as they did not know about the meeting.I would have attended if I had known about it and I know a number of others would have also. All very "secret squirrel". The speakers should be made up of a panel of individuals with opinions both for and against not one sided as it appears Mondays meeting was.

Poor Publicity

Posted on 26-06-2012 14:52 | By Jitter

Nowhere have I seen anything publicising this meeting. The first I knew about it was when it was posted on Sunlive on Monday. Pretty poor advertising. Perhaps that was the idea so that the notification was too late for those people who could have put curly and awkward questions to the panel to attend. I agree with previous comments on the involvement of TCC. They should keep right out of it.

Well done

Posted on 26-06-2012 11:21 | By NoKonei

I heard good comments about the ’public forum’ aka ’hui’ so well done for taking the initiative. Its a pity that none of the negative commentors who commented below were present, perhaps their energy would have been put to better use, and their uneducated minds better informed.

Many Thanks

Posted on 25-06-2012 23:37 | By awanui

Would just like to sincerely thank the nearly 200 genuinely interested people who turned up to the public meeting tonight with their questions and comments, especially when most were non-Maori. A great evening. Looking forward to more of the same!

PIRATES OF THE CARRIBEAN

Posted on 25-06-2012 22:50 | By YOGI

Ops more like the Pacific, bring back Captain Black beard/blue blood, seems like he would fit in really well at this meeting.

CONFLICT OF INTEREST

Posted on 25-06-2012 22:32 | By PLONKER

They are all on the game here and nothing less than decades of sucking the tit, they have all grown fat on the lard buckets being heaved at them by the taxpayers every year. I can not see this lot letting go of the nipple any time soon and doing it "cold turkey", or is it "cold frog" being incrementally fried!

Whoa hold on there hang about

Posted on 25-06-2012 21:29 | By POCO O POCO

We seem to have Messrs Coffin Tawhaio & Black all part of the gravy train ’express’ giving their slanted views with responses to selected questions only with a lawyer who no doubt represents at least one or all of their groups acting as the hui chairman.Well doesn’t that just inspire complete confidence that the truth will out- Yeah Right.It is in the category of refereeing your self interest own game.

IWIs WORST NIGHTMARE

Posted on 25-06-2012 21:10 | By Insider

IS :- Every single claim dispute or grievance settled,no more 3day all expenses paid huis up and down the country, no more government advisers jobs, all lucrative consultancy fees canned and no more trips to international forums denigrating NZ as a racist society. It is simply to ghastly to wake up to or think about.

Will be good in the future

Posted on 25-06-2012 20:45 | By carpedeum

Cant arrange to go and listen at such short notice- however,I will look forward to seeing the results of these settlements being spent to improve the lives of the members of the various tribes receiving them

YA WHAT?

Posted on 25-06-2012 19:22 | By YOGI

The Maori who were resident at Gate Pa actually cut a trail through the bush to the Gate Pa site so as the English along with a raft of other Maori to assist would not get lost or delayed in getting to the battle.

Well there you go Bro'

Posted on 25-06-2012 18:48 | By Investigator

First off it was a forum now it is a hui.Council were never mentioned now they are co- hosting the bunfight and providing speakers.This will simply turn into a pigs breakfast or a lay down misere- take your pick.

I don't believe it !!

Posted on 25-06-2012 18:20 | By RORTSCAM

This is the first I have heard that this very short notice Maori Forum was being run by Te Kohinga and Tauranga City Council.TCC have no mandate to be involved in this sort of one sided hi- jacked piece of propoganda . I for one am appalled to see it sticking its nose in effectively interfering in something that is not its bloody business. No doubt ratepayers are providing Baycourt at no cost and probably all other expenses involved too. WOFTAM

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