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Three Maori groups are claiming customary title to Motiti Island under the Marine and Coastal Bill.

All three claims to the 10kmsq island are being made by the Te Patuwai hapu and are part of four total claims to beaches in the Western Bay of Plenty.

Nga Potiki Tahuwhaka Tiki Marae is also claiming customary rights to a 15km stretch of beach on the Papamoa coast from Omanu to Waiarakei.

TV3 revealed earlier this week that Motiti claims are among 21 different areas of coastline nationwide under 24 claims for title under the Marine and Coastal Bill.

Te Patuwai Tribal Council chairman Nepia Ranapia, from Motiti Island, says Maori are taking the opportunity to claim the seabed and foreshore under historical claims.

“I am the chairman of the Te Patuwai Tribal Council and we have a right to claim those ancestral areas.

“The Patuwai tribal is an established institution that’s been operating for 141 years. I think it’s the only institution of its kind as the mainland has gone under iwi structure.

“We weren’t subject to that because Motiti Island is not under the Resource Management Act and not under a local body structure. Therefore we are not under the local body act 2002.”

Nepia says the historical claim to Motiti Island and surrounding monuments including the Astrolabe Reef where the Rena grounded, presented itself when the Government introduced the Foreshore and Seabed Act.

“Those ancestral boundaries that circumnavigate the island go back a very long time. What it means is that, we have significant sites and these are ancient monuments.

“These ancient monuments have never been put in the public eye before and we are working on a hapu management plan, which finds those monuments.”
The monuments include natural and manmade rock carvings at sea.

Nepia says Astrolabe Reef is spiritually linked to the island and has been for the last 2000 years.

“It’s a historical claim to those areas and the resources within them. It doesn’t affect the (general) public, but mainly the fishing public.”
He says if the claim goes through, they will start looking at those resources and taking control of them.

“Creating like a marine reserve (around the island) to preserve the fish stock supply to make sure the fish and other resources are around for our grandchildren.”

Nepia says it is up to the Treaty Tribunal to now decide on the claim.

“There are other claims ahead of ours.”

Tauranga MP Simon Bridges did not wish to speculate on what might, or might not happen until a case has had its time in court, if it even gets there.

“The test for obtaining customary title under the Foreshore and Seabed law is extremely high, and makes it very difficult for hapu and iwi to succeed.

“It includes a test so that they need to prove uninterrupted usage of the area to the exclusion of others since 1840.”

He says even if a claim does succeed, access for all New Zealanders is guaranteed.

 

Other beaches in the Bay under claim include:

-Papamoa Coast, from Omanu to Waiarakei.

-From Te Horo, eastern Bay of Plenty between Ohope and Whakatane, to the west, to Te Rangi, between Opape and Torere, in the east.

-The Eastern Bay of Plenty.

-Kennedy Bay and Mataroa Bay on the Coromandel.


 

Comments

$35bn or $54bn BAD EITHER WAY

Posted on 04-06-2012 11:04 | By TERMITE

Little difficult to find the positive in these numbers, especially considering some comments on this and other pages that the Treaty document used is wrong, that means that claims a little more than suspect.

CLAIMS SO FAR, THAT WE KNOW OF

Posted on 30-05-2012 18:58 | By CRUMPY

$54 BILLION so far and that is just this time around, information indicates that some tribes have been at it four times in the last 70-80 years or so. Disgusting really and all basis on a treaty document that is fake, then changed, then included in statute. The end result is that it is past off as real and handouts made, that is what is really bad about it all,

REAL TREATY

Posted on 30-05-2012 13:43 | By PLONKER

Certinyl not the one in 1975, that was a political cave in and sadly opened the doors to a raft of claims that should not even be there, the real treaty is the old all signed not the creative 1975 one.

THEY ARE COMING TO GET YOU

Posted on 30-05-2012 03:29 | By TERMITE

Look out folks the creeping creeps are slithering out of Wellington on their white steads (paid for from Whitangi claim funds called "here is all the money you want to extract dollars from us ... fund" reported to be $40m odd just for last year alone) and they will ride around preaching the gospel according to Palmer-Lang. That is the re-write that happened in 75, thats 1975.

IGNORE THE CLAIMS

Posted on 29-05-2012 21:07 | By CRUMPY

I am going to the beach whenever anyway.

MOULD, CANCER, FUNGUS

Posted on 28-05-2012 11:43 | By PLONKER

Pick which ever you like the effect is the same.

ANOTHER CREEPING CANCER RIP OFF

Posted on 27-05-2012 22:04 | By Hebegeebies

Complete the Coastal Coalition Petition and get the FS&SB back into Crown hands as Trustee for all NZers.If the scurrilous claims get approved by the Minister say goodbye to the beaches. Do you want that ?

SOMALIA

Posted on 27-05-2012 13:28 | By TERMITE

Perhaps this is more like a plan to setup as they have in Somalia so as raids can be carried out on all and any passer-bys, the purpose here may not be as real as it once seemed.

THIS IS THE END ... (THE DOORS)

Posted on 25-05-2012 17:05 | By PLONKER

At least the beginning of the end of an era of free access to the beaches for all, the passing of the Foreshore Act will in the future be looked upon as the a critical point in and a change in much at a Human Rights level in NZ.

NO WAY

Posted on 24-05-2012 00:57 | By PLONKER

All will be devoured before that would happen.

MAORI DICTATORSHIP?

Posted on 23-05-2012 10:07 | By YOGI

Will there be a Department of Pakeha Affairs with unlimited money and a legal aid services account to make land claims?

ISLAND INVASION

Posted on 23-05-2012 10:05 | By YOGI

So securing the beaches allows a beach head attack to then commence inland, link up and that is the ’end game’ no more picnic baskets after that.

BEACHES THEN WOT?

Posted on 23-05-2012 08:32 | By PLONKER

Well it will be the air next, then I guess when you breath you will have to pay for that to.

Caught short in the rort game.

Posted on 22-05-2012 20:32 | By RORTSCAM

So NZers should treat this as an open invitation to fight (them) on the beaches and fight them on the shores a la Winston Churchill.Let play then.

WHO WAS REALLY FIRST?

Posted on 22-05-2012 19:11 | By YOGI

Maori were here no earlier than 1400AD, Moriori were here before. Actually Maori got back in their boats and sailed off for a while then came back. But even before Moriori there were others in NZ so that means all these treaty settlements are a joke because the origianl peoples to come to NZ are still here and are the only ones with a real claim, but of course they are "THE PEOPLE OF NZ", think about it.

@ Dollie

Posted on 22-05-2012 11:30 | By PLONKER

Not worried about the land bro, it is the beaches that should be there for all to use, so when they are claimed that will mean a monetary charge to walk on the sand will be applied right, just like up Northland and the East coast where that already happens?

Dollie

Posted on 21-05-2012 20:41 | By Dollie

Motiti is as private as your backyard. Why is it that Pakeha-owned land that borders the sea is private but if it’s Maori land that borders the sea, it’s public? Don’t sound fair to me

SCAM BUSTER

Posted on 21-05-2012 18:59 | By TERMITE

Would seem to me that it is the MINORITY "avaricious Maori interests" milking the dead public cow that is the problem, otherwise know as self indulgence!

DEAL TO THESE RORTS NOW

Posted on 21-05-2012 08:29 | By Scambuster

NZers get out there now and sign the Citizens Initiated Referendum to restore Crown ownership of the Foreshore and Seabed. Do it now by 30 June 2012 and stop your legitimate heritage/rights being given away to avaricious Maori interests which will have claims on beaches settled in secret by the Minister that NZers will not be aware of until it hits the fan .!!. Once it is gone it’s gone.

observer

Posted on 19-05-2012 09:49 | By observer

total BS and obviously by viewing these comment - everyone else thinks the same - except of course the bro’s milking this racist countries BS politics

seabed&foreshore etc.

Posted on 18-05-2012 22:07 | By theo.mia

according to the treaty the maories decided to become British citicens and thereby accepted having to abide to the British laws! End of story!


Posted on 18-05-2012 18:23 | By traceybjammet

of course the trouble is that the loudest voices or the ones seen most in the media are the ones that want to cut access and all sorts of other crazy stuff that I think as a rule the majority of Maori find as scarey as the rest of us. But Radicals are not the majority of sensible logical people lets see more of the real NZ Maori’s, the ones we all respect and admire for their culture and their pride in their Maori heritage

NO SEE, SILENT SIMON ...

Posted on 18-05-2012 10:54 | By TERMITE

Guess that means he agrees with all of this as ’silence is golden’ for sure, perhaps this is just a plan to keep all those lawyers in a job after the Treaty legal aid gravy train stops dead in its tracks, this will keep it all going for years more ...

THAT WOULD MAKE YA SICK NOW WOULDNT IT

Posted on 17-05-2012 17:45 | By Vomit

That all that was predicted but hte masses has come true, perhaps someone could quote Churchill about now?

@ YOGI, where is Simon?

Posted on 17-05-2012 08:29 | By SpeakUp

Hahaha, Simon Bridges was part of the Foreshore and Seabed Committee road-SHOW, pretending to listen to all the concerns of his underlings that now become reality. He is part and wheel of this RACIST legislation. Making an open statement here would blow his cover of Smiley Face representative with hidden agenda. After all, he is Maori. Keep that in mind at the next election.

WHERE IS SIMON?

Posted on 16-05-2012 20:53 | By YOGI

No show Simon, this is not that good where our MP fails to account to the local voters for his opinion and that of it leader. Come on Simon what do you think now? Perhaps not a good idea after all?

QUEENS CHAIN

Posted on 16-05-2012 20:33 | By YOGI

So we can all go there and land ont eh beach and wander around no problem right? So how long before a shell whistles overhead?

SO WHAT THAT MOTITI IS PRIVATELY OWNED

Posted on 16-05-2012 00:49 | By TERMITE

That has got nothing to do with the claims being made now, the foreshore is for all NZers, that is what we were all told, so don’t tell me that Motiti Island is "private", it actually sounds more like a bit of line breeding come free for all if you ask me.

THIS IS THE END (The Doors)

Posted on 14-05-2012 13:16 | By TERMITE

It is the continuation of a very serious matter, the removal of the freedom of movement of NZers in NZ. There are many beach areas already where Maori shall we say ’encourage’ payment to be made and restricted access to beaches, park areas and so on unless a fee is paid. The message is clear that no payment means ’not friendly’ anymore.

REINVENTING THINGS MAORI (Yes Ingenious but NOT Indigenous)

Posted on 14-05-2012 09:45 | By POCO O POCO

Well the $33m land assets and buildings gravy-train to be given to Bay of Plenty Maori interests for God only knows what exactly is really just the tip of the iceberg. A Maori is defined in S4 Te Ture Whenua Act, Maori Act 1993 No. 4 as “a person of the Maori race of NZ and includes a descendant of any such person”. Today, this will in all probability mean someone with a Maori ethnicity of between say a ¼ and 1/64th. Looking at this anomaly, most fair-minded New Zealanders can draw their own conclusions about that state of affairs. No need to explain the implications. It was bad enough that the Foreshore and Seabed legislation of 2010 was a kick in the guts for NZ democracy, particularly when the Foreshore and Seabed should always have been held in Trust by the Crown for all NZ citizens. Continuing on from this however, we now have Maori interests claiming special water rights arising from the proposed sale of Government SOES and while the public generally are probably opposed to any sales, this is no basis for Maori claims on which the door has well and truly closed as far as new historic claims are concerned. Other claims are rearing their heads as well and our beaches are first in the firing line But hang on there - we now have the spectre of the maorification of the proposed Constitutional Reform Advisory Panel. For the record, the NZ population spread on which panel representation is based is that there are currently 68% European extraction (5 members), 15% (but on ethnicity basis, it is more like 1%) (Maori - 5 members), Asian 9% (1 member) and Pasifika 7% (1 member). What about the position of mainstream NZ citizen – shouldn’t they have genuine representation by what are 8 non-aligned members to guard their interests with Maori interests 2, Asian 1 and Pasifika 1? The current situation on the Advisory Panel, if you take into account those Europeans who work for Maori interests have affiliations with Maori interests or have affinity for Maori is that you have those Maori (8 members), European (2 members), Asian (1 member) and Pasifika (1 member). What qualifications do the members have to determine constitutional matters? Isn’t there something inherently wrong about this stacking the Panel in this way, after all we are talking about a written constitution up for grabs with implications for all New Zealanders, not just those with limited Maori ethnicity (shadowing = infinitesimal). This charade in no way fairly or equitably represents the viewpoint of mainstream New Zealanders and never will. What is more, it was never intended to do so from the outset – the sleaze-buckets have seen to that. Will the third bite of the cherry ‘growth industry’ Waitangi claims ever cease, even though historic grievances are meant to have lapsed, the ‘creative’ syndrome is at work and will keep the pot boiling forever. New Zealand citizens, if you genuinely care about your country’s future – the answer is in your hands – protest about this continual bias and rorting, demanding all these matters be dealt with openly in a fair and equitable manner, i.e. constitutionally to coin a phrase. It is not hard to see why nearly 60,000 New Zealanders and snowballing/spiralling a year emigrate to OZ! For factual accounts about what’s happening, go to the following websites: http://johnansell.wordpress.com or www.nzcpr.com At least you will get an accurate and unbiased account from these sites of the other side of a very sad story.

No restrictions?

Posted on 13-05-2012 14:50 | By patgg

pomarie states that no restrictions have ever been placed on access to mountains by Maori(5 May). Not true. We no lomger have access to Mt Tarawera without paying a very hefty fee for both vehicle and individuals.

PUBLIC RESERVE

Posted on 12-05-2012 17:25 | By TERMITE

Motiti should be a public reserve for all to use, the whole thing, never mind this claims business, lets open the whole place up for familys and holidays for all - TUI ADVERT ....

FACTUAL HISTORY

Posted on 12-05-2012 17:21 | By TERMITE

Non Maori were here pre Christ, a massive amount of historic evidence is there to prove that. Where as Maori sites only date back (perhaps) to the 1400’s + or so, definitely no further back than that. So there is not historic right here for settlements on a "we were here first basis" even the Moriori were here before Maori, not even Moari czan argue about that one either.

REPLICA IN THE MAKING

Posted on 12-05-2012 16:21 | By TERMITE

The Foreshore issue is heading the same way as South Africa as it was a couple of decades ago. That is progress? Yeah right - Tui advert!

@pomare

Posted on 12-05-2012 15:32 | By morepork

My post was not intended to offend you (or anybody else). The FACT is that there are a number of possible explanations as to how Maori came to Aotearoa and the only "evidence" we really have is an oral tradition that varies between regions and iwi. But, MOST IMPORTANTLY, it doesn’t matter. There is no doubt that Maori were here before Europeans, although the population today shares both gene pools. It is the FUTURE that matters; ONE people, ONE country with equal rights for all, preservation of Ethnicity and culture so that what is valuable is not lost, and mutual respect and tolerance for differences, but all being equal in the final analysis, under a single Nationality. I wanted to thank you though, because I wasn’t familiar with "Lemuria" and thought you were saying you had evolved from Lemurs... (That would be Madagascar, surely...?:-)) You sent me scurrying to wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemuria_(continent) and I am now much better informed, even if not actually wiser.

Grow up Pomarie

Posted on 12-05-2012 14:45 | By hef

Until we are a nation of NEW ZEALANDERS (yes thats kiwis, maoris (if you want to be separated from kiwis)immigrants (asian, european, sth african etc etc)all refer to ourselves as Kiwis or New Zealanders then this utter bull...t will continue. Equal treatment for ALL no matter what you are and where you come from !! I am sick of our media dividing NZ by referring to us as Maori and Pakeha. I’m not a pakeha and never will be. I live in a free land and am a 4th generation New Zealander. Move on and lets built a united NZ, NOT a divided one !

DANNAW, THAT IS RIGHT ...

Posted on 12-05-2012 14:37 | By TERMITE

Moriori were not first to NZ by around 2000 years.

Untitled

Posted on 12-05-2012 07:49 | By Donnaw

Correct me if im wrong but....wasnt it the moriori that were the native people of NZ, and didnt the maoris come over from the islands? No wonder so many people are jumping over the ditch because NZ is becomming not a very nice place to live. I used to be so proud to be a NZ’er but now i just feel asshamed.


Posted on 11-05-2012 16:18 | By mykgold102

There is an old saying that is part of my Native American heritage "We belong to the land, The land does not belong to us" Since moving to NZ I have had a hard time coming to grips with the division of race caused by this living in the past mentality. NZ will never rise to where it could be until we learn to work together towards the future as ONE NATION OF NEW ZEALANDERS!!! UNITED WE STAND, DIVED WE FALL. ONE NATION EQUAL FOR ALL!!

This is night follows- true to form

Posted on 11-05-2012 16:00 | By Hebegeebies

30 years ago one or two maori only lived on Motiti Island hardly basis for a continuous customary right type claim still with the bull**** factory in overdrive mode who knows what will come out the other end. Pomarie casually talks about Lemurians so are people now correctly accepting Maori were not here first not that it matters toss anyway but at least it blows one of the myths out of the water.Environmentalists perhaps not on your nellie.Hey we are running out of options here.

Geeez Morepork

Posted on 11-05-2012 14:18 | By pomarie

There certainly wasnt any Maori here 2000 years ago. Certainly not the ones your referring to and the time-lined history of the arrival of kupe. There were and still are people living here before the arrival of waka to these shores. We are often referred to as Lemurian. When the waka people arrived they intergrated with us by way of copulation, and without the need to divide conquer and rule. Anyway thats besides the point, which is Maori have never ever threatened to ban or restrict anyone in any way or form from having rights to the whenua (land) Te Moana A Kiwa (oceans) or the Maunga (mountains). Its time you one-eyeds got it right. Some not all Pakeha need to realise the importance we Maori hold extemely precious to us and relates to our knowledge of where we fit into the scheme of co-existance along side of all kingdoms that we have enormous respect for. As for putea (money) being wasted, well thats not our fault.

.

Posted on 11-05-2012 13:48 | By motitian86

The actions of Mr Ranapia and other organisations are great. protecting Motiti Island for the future is a great, especially so that our kids will grow up in the same environment as we did. Raw prawn, the Rena cleanup was set up by Maritime NZ at Motiti. Many of the volunteers were families who grew up on Motiti but currently do not live there. The Government has a responsibilty to ALL Kiwis to keep us safe as you would expect on Main Beach Mt Maunganui so why would they not spend money to clean Motiti also.

fatally

Posted on 10-05-2012 17:00 | By faym99@xtra.co.nz

This if it goes through will spell the end of the government us along with many other will emigrate to Aussie it is sickening the beaches and the foreshore belong to all New Zealanders not just a minority group

time to stand up

Posted on 10-05-2012 15:17 | By rodgero52

Its about time we the average kiwi stood up and put a stop to all these beach grabing claims, we all own these areas as ONE people, not just maori. We live in a great country that is being torn to pieces by all this racial disharmony!


Posted on 10-05-2012 14:36 | By traceybjammet

all the money spent on fighting over title its all just NZ a small ting country that cant afford to keep up this rubbish forever. crown owned maori owned how about NZ owned

sounds good

Posted on 10-05-2012 13:55 | By n8dawg

im pakeha but if public stil get use and all its going to do is preserve the fish stocks whats wrong with that?

We will NEVER accept racist Legislation.

Posted on 10-05-2012 13:46 | By SpeakUp

Trust politicians’ words! It was the writing on the wall: The FS&SB legislation encourages racism and greed. If you don’t like that beaches are being privatised then support this Citizen Initiated Referendum: www.CoastalCoalition.co.nz

Maori lay claim to Bay beaches

Posted on 10-05-2012 13:39 | By algail

It is high time all thsi nonsense was stopped and people woke up the fact that whatever the past NZ now belongs to all Nzs whatever their racial background. Alastair Bethlehem

2000 years?

Posted on 10-05-2012 13:32 | By morepork

This is a perfect example of history being rewritten to suit certain vested interests. There were NO Maori in NZ 2000 years ago, Kupe the navigator arrived in the 10th Century and the major Polynesian Migration within 350 years after that, based on the oral traditions and what scanty archaeological evidence can be found. So there hasn’t been an emotional attachment to the areas under question for 2000 years. But even if there had been, the world has changed and moved on and that movement must also be recognised. Aotearoa today is a different place from Aotearoa at the time when Maori arrived. Personally, I don’t mind Maori mana being indulged by giving title to the land, PROVIDED ALL new Zealanders have access, and the protections for that are embedded in Law. Much as we have done with Mauao. Respect for Maoritanga should be part of our heritage, but respect for a new nation that is still emerging must be considered also. I want a New Zealand where all New Zealanders can live in harmony, respecting each others differences, but equal under the Law. As long as that is preserved, it really doesn’t matter whether Iwi or the Crown has title. Whoever has title must ensure that access is provided to beaches (without charge) and that conservation is properly observed. Do that, and there will be no problem with Foreshore and Seabed. I completely agree with PLONKER; this land "belongs" to all of us, and Phailed is also right, inasmuch as the arguments about all this cost us time and waste energy and effort that could be better directed to improvements elsewhere.

ALL OF US

Posted on 10-05-2012 13:30 | By penguin

One day all cultures of our nation will realise that we ALL only have "guardianship" of the land, sea and air of New Zealand. All this nonsense such as owning water is just that. For example, the water of the world originates from all round the world and we get some of it by way of rain. No-one in NZ made all the water here, therefore, no-one has cultural “rights” over its use or otherwise. I am privileged to be a Kiwi and this land is mine as much as anyone else’s to use and look after!! As for the Astrolabe reef – give it to Maori complete with Rena shipwreck and let them finish the cleanup at their cost.

Puzzling

Posted on 10-05-2012 13:16 | By RawPrawn

If, as Mr Ranapia claims, Motiti Island is not part of a local body structure and therefore exempt from certain legislation, why was/is so much local body effort, money and time devoted to cleaning it up following the Rena incident?

Puzzling

Posted on 10-05-2012 11:43 | By RawPrawn

If, as Mr Ranapia claims, Motiti Island is not part of a local body structure and therefore exempt from certain legislation, why was/is so much local body effort, money and time devoted to cleaning it up following

What a load of testes!

Posted on 10-05-2012 11:25 | By yikes61

Did you know National (smuggy bridges and co) said they wouldnt touch crown ownership of the F&SB Act. The majority of NZers wanted the F&SB to stay in crown ownership to benefit ALL NZers. Go to: www.CoastalCoalition.co.nz to join the thousands of NZers who have already signed the petition for a citizens initiated referendum asking the question: Should the Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Act 2011 be replaced by legislation that restores Crown ownership of the foreshore and seabed? The customary rights will go out 12 miles from the shore, allow for the plunder of minerals and aquaculture to name a couple of assets held within the area with the wealth going to the customary rights holders and not the crown and bypass the RMA.

BYE BYE BEACHES

Posted on 10-05-2012 10:37 | By PLONKER

Guess we are all about to move inland a bit, but then I guess the mountains will be claimed to ... what a mess, New Zealand belongs to New Zealanders.

Thin edge of the Wedge

Posted on 10-05-2012 10:37 | By Surfwatch

They want it all, and I’m sure that the groups are really honest about conservation, rather than what can be gained financially from all of this. Follw the money!

Time for Simon Bridges to take responsibility

Posted on 10-05-2012 09:42 | By Phailed

and deal with his National Government’s Foreshore and Seabed Act once and for all. This nonsense is a waster of taxpayers time, money and resources that should be spent getting this country competitive again.

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