Say no to racism

My sentiments exactly Dame Susan (‘Anti-racism campaign launched', SunLive, June 15), so let us get rid of the Maori Party, Maori All Blacks, the Maori Council, Maori Broadcasting, the Waitangi Tribunal for Maori only, Maori Fisheries Council and a multitude of organisations exclusively for Maori.

Is this not a sign of racism? If you regard it as an ethnicity matter then why are there not similar official organisations for the other hundreds of ethnicities in New Zealand? Your perception is illogically selective. ‘He iwi tahi tatou.' Are we not all one people? New Zealanders.

The media, while willingly supporting the government contention that Maori are deserving of special and exclusive treatment, are willing to publish derisory comments on Don Brash and the Hobson's Pledge Trust, but are reluctant to print contrary views that are of vital concern to the majority of New Zealanders. Views that aspire to support democracy. This media attitude disparages the concept of a fair, free and objective press.

B Johnson, Omokoroa.



67 Comments

YOU HAVE GOT TO LAUGH

Posted on 09-07-2017 15:25 | By crazyhorse

Robby has hit on a good one here with Oriini Kaipara, she herself admits to European heritage but manages to get a DNA test to say she is 100% maori, Robby keeps quite on the fact that the test she did Ancestry.com has been questioned because of the number of people to test against, , and just exactly how are maori getting "more" maori, not all maori think like Hone Harawira, are you saying maori have stopped associating and having children with non maori?.

A little more education for crazyhorse.

Posted on 09-07-2017 11:08 | By R. Bell

The depletion is that of the Pakeha D.N.A. not the Maori. You haven't heard it all yet crazy. Hopefully you will learn from it all, won't hold my breath though. You know who.

Read it again crazyhorse,

Posted on 09-07-2017 11:00 | By R. Bell

and then google Maori TV Orini Kaipara 100% Maori. Disappointing for you I know, but you'll get used to it.........or not. Robin Bell.

JUST WHEN I THOUGHT I'D HEARD IT ALL!

Posted on 09-07-2017 10:00 | By crazyhorse

Robby says maori have less maori DNA than ever, so, ""now"" they are 100% maori, and remember Robby gives history lessons as well, is it just me or is this getting even more ridiculous than normal?.

A little education for groutby,

Posted on 09-07-2017 08:56 | By R. Bell

use of the term "part maori"in this context is abusive, for a number of reasons. (1) It is used to describe a distinctive race. (2) each member of that race distinguishes themselves by lineage, not blood quotient. (3) It is used by you and others to dissipate the legitamacy of that race for political and economic reasons. (4) You severely damage the self respect of young people who have not yet achieved the maturity to deal with such insult. (5) DNA depletion now means that more and more Maori are classified as 100% Maori so the term is obsolete, as are your arguments. Robin Bell.

Peter, re:

Posted on 06-07-2017 20:16 | By groutby

and your reply to crazyhorse and miss adventure...the term "part Maori" is widely used as I understand, possibly to retain a "foot in both camps" or maybe to actually understand that we are one people and have accepted this as the way it is and move on. To be actually offended by the term in my opinion is off the scale of reason. If anyone believes they are so precious to believe that then we do indeed add to the current issue. Yes the Maori Affairs Amendment Act 1974 gives us a "legal" definition, but in "real" day to day terms we are what we are...look seriously at ourselves, be proud of ancestry as all immigrants undoubtedly would be,.... many, many New Zealanders who relate to Maoridom in some way have done this..maybe you can't. I see the problem is actually with your beliefs, please, get over it!

DEY SAYS!. Maori control almost nothing

Posted on 06-07-2017 17:20 | By crazyhorse

Why should they, the other 85% of the population don't control anything either, unfortunately the government be it at a national level or local level controls everything, maori are controlling their own health system and education system, or do you not agree with that, why do they need to control what the rest of K1W1's do, I cannot get over the fact that these people can't look after themselves but are happy to talk about looking after the country and it's resources like water and sea shore, you rely on weak governance treaty principles made up by a pet lawyer, do you really think it will continue this way?, the bottom line is it can't.

Maori race still exists????

Posted on 06-07-2017 17:10 | By crazyhorse

[1974 Maori Affairs Amendment Act].Before 1974, a Maori was defined as someone who was half-caste or more, through intermarriage it was increasingly difficult for many Maori to work out , precisely, what their proportion of Maori blood,The Maori Affairs Amendment Act 1974 "REDEFINED" Maori as " person of the Maori race AND includes any blonde haired "descendant" 1/322 cast or what ever,This made it possible to widen the "definition" of Maori, . Data from the 1996 census used to examine the impact that these new definitions brought in by Matiu Rata were having on the number of people officially categorised as Maori, found that instead of the 273,693 who indicated they were Maori-only, with the new "amendment act" the population of maori "DOUBLED OVERNIGHT"" to 580,374,

While we respect the maori culture, maori

Posted on 06-07-2017 16:56 | By crazyhorse

Are not the Distinct race of people that signed the Treaty in 1840 and therefore should not be treated as such. There is far too much foreign blood in all Maori today for the Waitangi Tribunal or Government to attempt to compensate or give special privilege such as Customary Title etc to one group of New Zealand Citizen at the expense of the others. Through intermarriage of their own free will, Maori today have more of the ancestry of the people they are claiming against than that of their Maori ancestors that signed the Tiriti o Waitangi in 1840. Its a fact, this race of people have long gone. Article Three of the Tiriti o Waitangi gave the same rights to all the people of New Zealand, irrespective of race, colour or creed,

Crazyhorse, 269 so called privileges, and still Maori control almost nothing

Posted on 06-07-2017 16:48 | By Peter Dey

Crazyhorse, your list of 269 so called privileges that Maori have provides much room for discussion. It ignores the responsibility that Governments now accept, of honouring the Treaty. It includes a great deal that is simply the Maori share of total spending. It ignores the efforts being made by Governments to redress breaches of the Treaty. It ignores the fact that Treaty settlements are less than 10% compensation. Let us work through your list.

IT WILL NEVER END UNDER NATOURI OR LABOURI

Posted on 06-07-2017 15:48 | By crazyhorse

MAORI-ONLY PRIVILAGES Schools Education scholarshipsHousing projectsHealth prioritisation and initiativesWelfare (whanau ora)Prisoner programmesPositions on government agencies Consultation rights under the RMAParks, rivers, lakes, coastlineMaori authority tax ratesMaori authority tax-free status Seats on local councilsLocal government statutory boards Local government liaison committeesSeats in parliamentSports teamsMaori Land Owners Trustee Organisation BrandMaori electoral rollAgribusiness AwardsMaori TV ChannelBillions of $ of Government payoutsMusic AwardsForest Rental Trust, which only Maori can use to finance their claims however the forests are owned by the public. ("Let the Truth be known" by Hilda Philips she found there were about 269 Acts giving Maori preference over non-Maori).Sole Rights to Greenstone in the South IslandSole Rights to whale watching and beached whales.

Crazyhorse and MISS ADVENTURE, 'part-Maori' is a term of abuse

Posted on 06-07-2017 11:36 | By Peter Dey

A person of Maori descent is legally 'Maori' not 'part-Maori'. People who refer to others as 'part-Maori' are therefore choosing to use the term as though it is a legal description, when it is not a legal description. They are using the term 'part-Maori' as a form of abuse. Maori do not formally use the term 'part-Maori' about themselves.

Crazyhorse, Governments now have to make redress for Treaty breaches

Posted on 06-07-2017 11:21 | By Peter Dey

More misinformation from Crazyhorse when he says that people are not responsible for actions that occurred a hundred years ago. Nobody is claiming that they are. However the Government, in honouring the Treaty, which has never been cancelled, is bound to deal with the consequences of Treaty breaches. Nobody now is being blamed, but consequences have to be honestly dealt with. Crazyhorse is criticizing people for claims that nobody is making.

Crazyhorse, more misinformation. Tuhoe do not have self-government.

Posted on 06-07-2017 11:09 | By Peter Dey

Crazyhorse is totally misrepresenting the Tuhoe Treaty settlement. The settlement, available online, makes no mention of self-government. Normal Government funding for health, education, welfare, and housing services for Tuhoe is now channelled through the Tuhoe Iwi. That is not self-government. Full public access to the Urewera is unchanged. The Urewera is now an entity not owned by anybody, but eventually to be managed, not owned, by Tuhoe.

MISS ADVENTURE, no rates for Maori balances loss of tribal ownership

Posted on 06-07-2017 10:57 | By Peter Dey

Yes, Maori land gets preferential treatment over rates. This is because Maori were not allowed to keep their land in tribal ownership. They were forced to put land into individual titles. The end result has been a fragmentation and under-use of Maori land. Taking Maori land for unpaid rates would breach the Treaty, which the Government breached in the first place when it forced Maori to give up tribal ownership. We need a better solution, but claiming Maori privilege is false.

ANYONE NOTICED?

Posted on 05-07-2017 17:47 | By crazyhorse

What is good for ""us","is never ever any good for "part" maori, but, what is good for "part" maori, is always good for ""us"".

BROWN BRINDLE OR WHITE.

Posted on 05-07-2017 17:44 | By crazyhorse

No living K1W1's brown, brindle or white are responsible for what other brown,brindle or white K1W1's did generations ago, move on take responsibility for yourself and your own actions, enjoy our wonderful country, we are truly lucky to be living here.You have had "nothing" taken from you and we have taken "nothing" from you.Get a life move on, and, no you are not a victim of anything except the same lies told to all other New Zealanders to try and "separate" us along racial lines.

Tamati Kruger

Posted on 05-07-2017 17:39 | By crazyhorse

In the foreseeable future, indigenous self-governance will become a reality again in Aotearoa. And not due to a nice government, but because of an iwi that is organised, united and staunch! , Tuhoe wants taxpayer funded self rule. It is this model that is now being described as mana mutuhake and was part of a 40 year plan agreed with the Minister of Treaty Settlements, Chris Finlayson, when negotiating their Treaty settlement. The legislation says: The Crown acknowledges you and te mana motuhake o Thoe.Tuhoe leaders claim its going to be the start of the decolonisation of their people. They want existing government funding for welfare, schools, health care and housing within Te Urewera to go through the iwi. They say that will allow them to take ownership of the wellbeing of their people.

Crazyhorse, money spent improving race relations is worth it.

Posted on 05-07-2017 17:16 | By Peter Dey

Crazyhorse, examples like the Warriors rugby league club doing a marae course are examples of the Government supporting better race relations by helping non-Maori experience Maori culture. You say that you value Maori culture. Let other people enjoy it too. The fact that somebody tried to break the academic rules is an individual offence, not evidence of corruption. One corrupt MP does not make Parliament corrupt.

Crazyhorse, more misinformation

Posted on 05-07-2017 16:56 | By Peter Dey

Crazyhorse, the Maori Party does not have a policy to bring Maori Government to New Zealand. Tuhoe do not have a policy of self-government. They did want a say in the government of the Urewera, which they were granted. All Maori who were treated unjustly by the Government were entitled to claim compensation, regardless of signing the Treaty, and rightly so. Anything else would be legalising injustice.

Shameless deception by crazyhorse,

Posted on 05-07-2017 16:51 | By R. Bell

at the same time as Donna Grant transgressed to the tune of $560,000. Repaid at a later date. Agribusiness Training ltd and Taratahi Farming institute and Western Institute of Technology all Pakeha controlled were all guilty of similar practice and had to repay the taxpayer.....$6 million, $7.5 million and $3.5 million respectively. It would seem crazyhorse can not remove his Maori blinkers. Robin Bell.

CO-GOVERNANCE # MAJORITY # CONTROL

Posted on 05-07-2017 16:47 | By Peter Dey

Crazyhorse, you are being irrational here. Only a majority of any organisation gives control. Co-governance does not give a majority to Maori, so it cannot give control to Maori. You seem to regard any representation for Maori as a threat to democracy. That contradicts your equality for all beliefs.

ownership rights

Posted on 05-07-2017 16:46 | By MISS ADVENTURE

Now what are they Peter? There is even preference there, like part Maori lands dont pay rates, so is that not preference. Discrimination would indeed be the cirreect label

Pete says!

Posted on 05-07-2017 13:23 | By crazyhorse

Maori culture would only be separatism if Maori wanted their own separate political organisation which they do not. hmm, what is the maori party?, also Tuhoe have made it clear they want independence and to govern themselves, paid for by us of course, also Tuhoe received a large ""treaty"" settlement, strange, everything I have read says Tuhoe never signed the treaty, strange days indeed.

Maori culture costs us millions

Posted on 05-07-2017 13:18 | By crazyhorse

Here is an example January 22, 2013 the New Zealand Warriors League team take part in a culture course at the Auckland University Marae with Donna Grant, all paid for by the NZ taxpayer, The joke, it turned out, was on the taxpayer, who kindly provided $565,316 to fund the club's drive to improve its cultural awareness. Of course, few of the people on the marae that day knew they were completing in just one day a tourism course that would normally have involved 18 weeks of study.http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11556099

CO-GOVERNANCE = CONTROL

Posted on 05-07-2017 13:15 | By crazyhorse

Co-governance has been slipped through the back door by the National "Natouri" party, this is how iwi are beginning to get control, we have already seen this on Lake Taupo, Ninety Mile Beach and One Tree hill, also the fracas in the Auckland Council around consents and the hundreds of cultural sights that "instantly " popped up but now thankfully due to the hard work of democracy loving K1W1"s has been knocked on the head, this is how the National government work, "delegate" the rights of NZ's away by giving power to councils to decide who owns what, the co-governance of where you live should be decided by everyone, not a bus load of Steve Chadwicks, or Andrew Judd's.

Still gettin' it wrong kenny,

Posted on 05-07-2017 08:50 | By R. Bell

Pete is not one eyed, how could he be? To my knowledge he dissects all deliberate anti Maori references and corrects them. One line put downs like yours, simply reflect your ignorance on these matters. Take time to read what he says, you may learn something, Robin Bell.

One eyed Pete

Posted on 04-07-2017 16:27 | By Kenworthlogger

Is relying on quantity of posts clearly not quality.....

Crazyhorse, accusations of Maori apartheid or separatism are fantasy

Posted on 02-07-2017 14:44 | By Peter Dey

Crazyhorse, no evidence exists to support your accusation that Maori groups are pushing apartheid and separatism. Supporting the separate survival of Maori culture would only be separatism if Maori wanted their own separate political organisation which they do not. It is people like Crazyhorse, who want Maori culture out of the mainstream, who are pushing separatism. Apartheid would be total Maori control of Government which is clearly an irrational fantasy.

Crazyhorse, you provide no evidence that Maori culture gets millions of dollars

Posted on 02-07-2017 14:24 | By Peter Dey

Crazyhorse, you have previously listed funding for Maori culture but most of your examples are funding that Maori get as their share of social spending but delivered in a culturally Maori way such as Maori education. Spending on Treaty settlements and the Waitangi tribunal are in effect paid for by Maori because they receive only 10% compensation in Treaty settlements. You have so far provided no credible evidence that Maori culture receives millions of dollars of unjustified funding.

Crazyhorse, your claims of Maori control are contradicted by fact

Posted on 02-07-2017 14:03 | By Peter Dey

Crazyhorse, you claim that the Government has handed control of land and resources to Maori. You can provide no information to support this claim because the facts contradict you. Maori have no control of Parliament, Government departments, or local councils. Maori only have government representation or consultation rights. They do not have majority control of any land or resources, unless they have ownership rights, the same as any Pakeha owners.

Why not try the honesty you claim, you champion,

Posted on 02-07-2017 13:21 | By R. Bell

crazy horse. Tell the people where Peter and myself are being dishonest.All your flowery rhetoric hides the fact that your source of history is concocted by yourself and the other members of your pressure group. Don't be shy, show us where democracy is failing. Show us where our perceptions are self serving. If you get stuck pop next door and ask jordan from nuia, you know crazy, his world of gnomes and dwarfs that you and he inhabit. Google it, you said it. Next on the list "natouri" now that's a cracker. Robin Bell.

The amazing sad world of the apologist's.

Posted on 02-07-2017 09:28 | By crazyhorse

People like Pete and Rob stumble over the truth, on a daily basis, but they always manage to pick themselves up and go on, disregarding the facts they fell over, people like this want the truth so badly but after it has been presented to them, they deem it unacceptable. In the end, they create their own version of the truth which is more acceptable to their perception. they then deny the truth, worship the lie...The truth, of course, is that a billion falsehoods told a billion times by a billion people are still false.With every history "alteration" "revised" meaning of the treaty of waitangi or IWI press release , the claim will be repeated, using the basic principle of the Nazi propaganda machine, that a lie repeated often enough becomes the new truth.

NICE TRY PETE!

Posted on 02-07-2017 09:17 | By crazyhorse

Maori culture is funded to the tune of millions of dollars a year, and the other groups do not see themselves as special or superior, and, unless it is a large organised event organised through local government they all fund themselves, how can you compare that Pete, you're clutching at straws, non of these groups push apartheid or separatism, none of these groups want to own our water control our sea shore tell me they have a say in how and where I build a house, sad, so sad.

Demonising Maori culture and aspirations,

Posted on 02-07-2017 09:13 | By R. Bell

has been the main thrust of crazyhorse and his extreme right political aspirations. They have no other viable policies to present to the people of N.Z. Hobsons "Pledge"just the latest feeble attempt. Anyone who falls for it probably deserves the inevitable results of disappointment. The last two elections have seen the same group, under different names gain less than 1% support. Will Winnie be the one? Don't bet on it, he may get the balance of power, but will not deliver to the extreme right the anti Maori doctrine they cherish so much. Robin Bell.

MOANING WON'T HELP, DO SOMETHING!.

Posted on 01-07-2017 21:11 | By crazyhorse

Most New Zealanders dont yet realise that the Natouri Government has negotiated away the democratic control of land and resources, but even when they wake up it will be too late. And no good grumbling. When "honest" Billy and his maori party make a decision, thats it, moaning doesnt help, you had your chance to do something about it, and, as usual, ahh, na, she'll be rightOne more term under the cowardly National party will see the last "shreds" of democracy flushed down the toilet of parliament.A vote for National, Labour or the Greens, is a vote for maori and the maori party.Wake up and smell the coffee.

Crazyhorse, are you saying you are Polynesian, Dutch, and Chinese

Posted on 01-07-2017 15:40 | By Peter Dey

Crazyhorse, you enjoy associating with Polynesian, Dutch, and Chinese culture. These cultures all exist separately and you play no part in that. Why do you object to Maori culture existing separately? You do not make sense.

Crazyhorse, you do not make sense

Posted on 01-07-2017 15:29 | By Peter Dey

Crazyhorse, you are happy that other cultures have their own groups and organisations but you object to Maori having this. That does not make sense. You say that Maori want special treatment, but they ask for no more than they are entitled to. You cannot back up your claim that Maori are getting huge unjustified spending.

Crazyhorse, why are you dumping on maori culture?

Posted on 01-07-2017 14:58 | By Peter Dey

Crazyhorse, you do not make sense. You say you love multicultural New Zealand, and yet you criticize Maori exercising their culture. Your belief that Maori are getting unaffordable special treatment is based on false information. The cost of Treaty settlements is 0.1% of Government spending. Maori have a legal right to freedom of association and their own cultural groups. You provide no credible evidence in support of your claim that Maori want privileged treatment. If you value Maori culture why do you make such outlandish criticisms of what is happening when you have no credible evidence to support your claims?

Maybelle, we are one nation of many cultures

Posted on 01-07-2017 14:33 | By Peter Dey

Maybelle, Maori who value Maori culture do not deny their Pakeha culture. However, accusations are made here that the Treaty has been mistranslated, that Maori are using the Waitangi Tribunal to make fraudulent claims that NZ cannot afford, that Maori are getting unjustified privileges, that Maori want separatism, that Treaty settlements have made Maori leaders enormously wealthy from a Treaty trough gravy train, that the principles of the Treaty are not valid even though they are now NZ law, and that most New Zealanders are opposed to Pakeha Maori biculturism. None of these claims are true, and the writers who make these claims cannot provide any credible support for their claims.

MULTICULTURAL NEW ZEALAND, I LOVE IT.

Posted on 01-07-2017 12:48 | By crazyhorse

I love living in a multicultural NZ, getting fresh veg from the Polynesian markets, eating in china town, visiting the Dutch club, not so keen on the Morris dancers, but hey lots of other people enjoy it, just a shame we have people who don't like being multicultural, you know, needing their own health, education, welfare systems, housing, I don't understand!!.wanting to live away from us multicultural folk!!!!!!!..Well I'm going next door for a drink and to listen to some music with my mate Jordan, he's from Nui'a, I'll tell him about Pete and robby and he will just look at me shake his head and hand me a beer, man of few words.

Papamoaner

Posted on 01-07-2017 03:18 | By NZer

Only an idiot would claim to know what race someone is by what they type. Just goes to show how much intelegence some people lack. One eyed Pete and his bat aide Robin want a system of apartheid where there are special rules and rewards for Maori...

Spoilt rich kid?

Posted on 30-06-2017 10:17 | By maybelle

I am no spoilt rich kid Peter Dey, I am a fifth generation N.Zer and take offence. The word. control. jumps out at me here. As a kiwi, I do not wish to control anything, or anyone. And how much Pakeha blood have you? As I understand it there are no full-blooded Maori left. All I would like to see is a country of diverse heritage united as one.

All mixed blood

Posted on 30-06-2017 09:46 | By maybelle

We kiwis are all of mixed blood, why are some denying parts of their own heritage?, Maori culture, language, and values is alive and well in New Zealand, and always will be. Isnt it time we all became one united people with equal rights and opportunities? I feel it is time we, as a country, move on as one people POSITIVELY into the future. Remember yesterday, but live for today...

LMAO

Posted on 30-06-2017 03:53 | By NZer

Sunlive would never want one eyed Pete as a writer. They dont want a collumn full of biased alternative history Robin. You are not fooling anyone mate....

Disgusting and embarrassing

Posted on 29-06-2017 17:37 | By Papamoaner

There are some awful intrinsic Aryan specimens on these posts. They embrace Maori culture when it suits them, usually in the presence of overseas visitors. That's because they know the culture is beautiful, but decline to acknowledge it to themselves in the dunny, the shower, or the polling booth. They are the underbelly of our society. Even the Nazis enjoyed music from Jewish composers, but didn't like to be seen doing it, especially by the boss. As for me, I'm just hoping our maori people can succeed in positioning themselves to where they can prevent the whole damn place from being sold to the Yanks or to China.

Crazyhorse, racism is claiming to be superior or other races inferior

Posted on 29-06-2017 10:20 | By Peter Dey

Crazyhorse, you ask why Maori need to have a separate system for themselves. You should ask yourself why you need to object. Maori are democratically entitled to freedom of association. If they choose to associate within their own culture that takes nothing from you at all. Your objection seems to have an ulterior motive. Your claim that Maori are propped up by Government spending is clearly false. Spending on Maori groups is largely just their fair share of overall spending that they would get anyway regardless of how they were grouped. As Robin Bell has pointed out $3 billion for Maori out of $85 billion total is way below the fair share of Maori population.

Because the polls are biased crazyhorse.

Posted on 29-06-2017 09:14 | By R. Bell

No Maori person can get elected on Maori issues in New Zealand. No Pakeha is ever likely to vote on such issues. You know that, yet choose to ignore it. The United Nations are clear on this. The N.Z. government is clear on this, but in a cowardly way allow referendum to overthrow justice. Robin Bell.

HOW MUCH NOW

Posted on 28-06-2017 15:30 | By crazyhorse

If this what it cost to "prop' maori up in 2012, what is it now??,how much more has the been rung out of the NZ tax payer, why do maori need this, exactly how different are they to the other 85% of the population that they need to have a separate system for themselves, once again, why are the facts and figures for this not available under the Natouri government and while Bell and Dey say this is what everyone wants why is it not transparent, why the need for councils to push unelected seats on council when polls show they are not wanted, even up North the majority of maori did not want race-based seats, seems only a few people want this separate system, why?, maori party sitting on 1% in last poll, Dey says they have other things to worry about, racism and separatism probably.

I have a suggestion to make.

Posted on 28-06-2017 15:10 | By R. Bell

Peter Dey should be invited to contribute a weekly article to Sunlive. Perhaps then, those who remain so badly educated on this subject, could benefit from a proper education.Free from extreme propaganda and self serving bull****. Robin Bell.

Fairness seems to be missing here

Posted on 28-06-2017 14:07 | By Peter Dey

Our society is Pakeha dominated, all the way from Parliament, to all Government departments, and local councils. Maori control almost nothing. At best they get representation or consultation. Yet we have Pakeha individuals and Pakeha dominated groups now complaining about Maori getting privileges. There are some privileges available only to Maori, but the effect on others, and the cost to others is trivial. These people complaining about Maori privilege are like spoiled rich kids. They already have everything you could want but they see something that somebody else has and they want it too.

Crazyhorse, Maori getting a fair share is not privilege

Posted on 28-06-2017 10:40 | By Peter Dey

Crazyhorse, Te Wananga o Aotearoa, kohanga reo pre-schools , and Whanau Ora are simply getting a fair share for Maori out of overall government spending. There is no privilege involved. The Maori Treaty settlements process receives funding that is cut from compensation payments because Maori receive less than 10 per cent settlement compensation. The Waitangi Tribunal is in place to prevent the abuse of power by Governments over Maori that took place in the past. That is prevention of injustice not privilege. The co-governance of the Waikato river recognises Maori property rights to the river. Property rights from the Treaty are now accepted in New Zealand law. They are Treaty granted privileges. Te Puni Kokiri handles Government dealings with Maori. That is a courtesy not a privilege.

Maori services are therefore grossly underfunded,

Posted on 28-06-2017 10:31 | By R. Bell

according to crazyhorse. A total of $3billion out of $ 85 billion 2017. leaving $82 billion for the rest of us. Get real crazyhorse. Your "fighting" a losing battle. Robin Bell.

This is the spend on maori in 2012, what

Posted on 28-06-2017 08:44 | By crazyhorse

The real cost of these Maori only gov't funded organisations is out of control and why is it so hard to find out the real costs, or, where it's going. Requests for spending details for the 2012-13 year under the Official Information Act revealed Te Wananga o Aotearoa receives about $170-million, Te Puni Kokiri spends $205-million, kohanga reo language nest pre-schools receive $67.5 million with $2.64 million for administration, Whanau Ora takes $49-million. The economic base for Maori treaty settlements industry meant that in the 2012-13 year Vote Treaty Negotiations consumed $519.97-million, and the Waitangi Tribunal took $10.7-million out of the Courts budget. Waikato River co-governance costs $16-million a year. Environmental accords and other co-management cost a further $6-million. The" 177" Maori social service providers around New Zealand could chew through $1.7-billion each year. Under National it's impossibe to find out this information,why?.

@crazyhorse

Posted on 27-06-2017 15:54 | By waxing

Thank you for proving my point and for again living up to your name. You represent some within the older generation who know so little about NZ history but who want to spend their latter years constantly showing their prejudices. You don't recognize Maori as our indigenous people, coming up with all sorts of fallacious, unsubstantiated and unrecognized theories. You don't understand the Treaty, why it was sought and signed, and what rights Queen Victoria insisted were protected for Maori. Your constant repetition of the same baseless smears has become boring, and you should be ignored.

crazyhorse, more smears without evidence

Posted on 27-06-2017 12:43 | By Peter Dey

Crazyhorse, the principles of the Treaty are in the Treaty of Waitangi Act that has been maintained by every NZ Parliament since 1975. That means they are there from a proper democratic process. They mean that as a nation we honour the Treaty. We are a nation of two major cultures. You still have produced no evidence to support your claims that historians write false history. There is no evidence to support your claim that lawyers and Geoffrey Palmer have got rich from Treaty claims. The only lawyers who have earned big money are those who have worked long hours. You produce no evidence of Treaty troughing. You use the term as an unsubstantiated smear.

But what about other ethnic groups

Posted on 26-06-2017 16:02 | By crazyhorse

Blind or intellectually handicapped people aren't an ethnic group, and I have not once heard of any other """race"""" except maori wanting to own, oops, sorry co-govern, own our water control our seashore and want a separate education system, health system or unelected seats on local government or any other board they can get on, we keep hearing that this is fulfilling our obligation to the TOW, says who, who made this an obligation, who was asked about this, when was it brought in, where does it say this in the treaty, please don't talk about the principles of the TOW, honest Geoff Palmer came up with those, I know he made a lot of money from his principles but, at the end of the day they were added by a lawyer who made a fortunes out of them, it's called treaty troughing.

@crazyhorse

Posted on 26-06-2017 15:11 | By waxing

So you are quite happy to have separate groupings as long as they aren't Maori. Kind of sums your attitude up and there is a word for it. But what about other ethnic groups? Are you against scholarships solely for them or is it just Maori you are against?

BLIND PEOPLE, IHC, MAORI?

Posted on 26-06-2017 09:07 | By crazyhorse

What are you doing comparing bind and intellectually handicapped people to maori, their needs are not based on race, there are blind maori people you know or is being blind and maori different as well, scholarships for K1W1's be they farming or anything else is earned by extra work from student, extra points, these scholarships are not just granted on one's race.

Bell

Posted on 25-06-2017 22:09 | By the roofer

Maori are not denied. Show me where maori are denied due to race but whites are accepted. Suggest you read the treaty and brush up on some definitions. Maori can get themselves elected like everyone else is expected to.

The roofer puts a lid on democracy

Posted on 25-06-2017 15:22 | By R. Bell

and in the process creates hypocrisy. New Zealand was formed by TWO peoples not one. Maori and European, what is so difficult to understand? You cannot have a democracy by denying one party ( Maori) to the founding treaty, a place on governing bodies. I t is hypocrisy of the highest order. Brian Johnson, the roofer and all are living in la- la land Robin Bell.

@the roofer

Posted on 25-06-2017 14:36 | By waxing

There are separate scholarships for people from specific geographical areas, from farming families, all sorts of different scholarships. Are these a separatist version of democracy or is it only Maori scholarships that you are all upset about?

Get rid of all separate groups?

Posted on 25-06-2017 14:32 | By waxing

Just to clarify - are correspondents here seeking to get rid of any separate group (eg Aged Concern, Grey Power, IHC, Foundation for the Blind etc) or are they just against Maori as a separate group? It seems like the latter. Terribly inconsistent since Government funding goes to so many "separate" groups etc.

NZ is racist no doubt about it

Posted on 24-06-2017 17:23 | By the roofer

My kids were denied two scholarships because they werent allowed to apply. It was for Maori only. Human Rights Comission not interested in my complant. My father did not go to war to fight for this weird sepratist version of democracy.

Joris de Bres was a long time Marxist activist

Posted on 23-06-2017 12:28 | By crazyhorse

Joris de Bres was a long time Marxist activist. He formerly served as New Zealand's Race Relations Commissioner, he likened K1W1 to Taliban in the treatment of"part" maori!.Answers need to be supplied , how does a communist marxist end up as human rights commissioner in a democratic country, who picked this person and why????, while we are at it, how did we end up with a chief justice that in her maiden speech admits she is an activist judge who said she will strike down any legislation,or govt policy dealing with (part) maori she does not agree with, and now we have Devoid, what did we do to deserve these racists?.

Make life easy Mr Johnson,

Posted on 23-06-2017 12:26 | By R. Bell

Just "get rid " of Maori altogether, not sure how you'll do it, they are a lot tougher, smarter and more capable than you give them credit for. Wake up to yourself, racism is alive and well in your small world. Robin Bell.

Say no to racism, who, Suzie Devoid?.

Posted on 23-06-2017 12:01 | By crazyhorse

It's obvious that Suzie just like her predecessors as race relations commissioners are there to actually promote racism, separatism, Suzie even gives out her own versions of "our" history now,How are these people picked, who picks them, you have to admit, we have had some real doosies.

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