IWI WANT,IWI GET!

Posted on 13-11-2015 16:02 | By crazyhorse

The Waitangi Tribunal had no authority to take on any new historic Treaty claims (due to a 2008 law change prohibit them) they did so anyway. Unsurprisingly, they found in favour of the maori Council:

R BISHOP BEHIND THE TIMES

Posted on 13-11-2015 22:22 | By crazyhorse

Iwi have got the water, "honest Johnny and Christine Finlayson have already covered that, most people don't realise it, but,the deals been done,your behind the times R Bishop, air, light and wind are now the next "part of the "treaty of waitangi. How long before the treaty say's ""we"" want A PRIME MINISTER< picked, selected, unelected by very part maori??????.

Yo, ultimatum !!!!

Posted on 13-11-2015 22:28 | By The Caveman

It appears that somebody has missed something! 175 years ago, immigrants did deals with the

The clue for Robyn Bishop is in the figures

Posted on 14-11-2015 10:16 | By robin bell

A hundred grand for land worth billions that includes everything on and under it is an example of exploitation at its worst. These "deals" have been roundly condemned by the United Nations and ALL responsible governments for exploiting indigenous people with little or no understanding of values both present and future. Our government is simply consulting,involving and compromising,something alien to Crazyhorse and his fellow whingers. Robin Bell.

Carcass

Posted on 14-11-2015 15:21 | By Carcass

What a twisted view Robin Bell has of the world.If you sell some something you cant come back years later and say it is worth a lot more now I want it back.Whats the matter with this guy.Tribes want water so they have revenue stream greed of the highest order.Don't take any notice of the United Nations look at the mess in the middle east.Stop being a bludger Robin Bell and looking for a free lunch with made up stories of injustices under the treaty.Maori never owned water like the Foreshore and Seabed their time was spent fighting one another

It's all dead meat carcass,

Posted on 16-11-2015 09:23 | By robin bell

your comment that is.No one is asking for the land in question to be re-evaluated. The sale was "legal".However it was exploitive. The U.N. AGREES even though you don't. Neither was it a "small block" it comprised the whole of the mid to south Waikato 10s of thousands of acres, immediately on sold for up to 200 pounds an acre. As for me being a bludger carc-ass, I have never ever received any hand out or benefit,perhaps you can forward your "evidence". I suggest you drop your reliance on emotive unsubstantiated One N.Z.Foundation driven garbage and concentrate on the TRUTH. Robin Bell.

Carcass

Posted on 17-11-2015 10:22 | By Carcass

I don't who One N Z Foundation his and I don't have to produce evidence that you are not a bludger or walking around with you hand out>I worked that out in your reply to Robin Bishop's letter.With the United Nations Sharples slunk of one night to the U N with the good will of John Key none of us New Zealanders knew what they are up to.As for the truth don't make up things as you go along

175 years of horse manure

Posted on 18-11-2015 14:38 | By tutae.kuri

Robin bell's comments regarding current day values viz a viz sales of land are rot. My Cornish Ancestors were turfed off their land in the 1800s, no payment. My Jewish Ancestors were turfed out of Austria in the 1700s, no payment and lucky to get out with their lives. Maori ancestors were paid fair value for the times, luckily the French didn't take the show over . Time the truth came out unvarnished by the racist Waitangi Tribunal.

A load of

Posted on 19-11-2015 08:15 | By robin bell

The difference between your ancestors (mine also) is Maori had a Treaty.You may reject that but it's a fact. Times had changed (but not some people). It is why the world is a better place (but not some people). Answer this question, why should Maori, who have lived in any given area for hundreds of years, not have an interest in the management of its resources? before you answer remember all of the entities who already do, with a system heavily in their favour. Robin Bell.

still 175 years of horse manure

Posted on 19-11-2015 12:08 | By tutae.kuri

Ah yes! The Treaty! There are one or two things for you to remember- The Treaty was between the Queen and ALL the people of New Zealand. The people who signed the Treaty(on both sides) are not the people of today.175 years on we are more truly one people with a multitude of ancestral roots. All have equal opportunity if they choose to use those opportunities.We have elected representatives to Parliament who are charged with looking after the interests of the whole population and not to favour sectional interests which seek enrichment at the expense of the rest. I have no problem with compensating for proven wrongs, however, crazy and stupid claims are actually being listened to. I commend a new book ONE TREATY ONE NATION to you also perhaps THE MUSKET WARS by Ron Crosby to give you conditions prior to the Treaty.

Horse manure? t. kuri

Posted on 20-11-2015 08:54 | By robin bell

When you rely on the manufactured "history" as portrayed by the team you so admire you most surely struggle with facts.The treaty that is sooooo important to Maori,was indeed between the Crown and all the people of N.Z. The problem you have is that ALL the people of N.Z. were Maori. Non Maori were ALL foreign nationals, with NO rights, a bit like those currently being kicked out of Australia.If you and your mates were correct, the names of ALL N.Zrs would have been included in the treaty. It was not until the British passed a bill in 1846 that N.Z came into being "constitutionally". You will NOT marginalise Maori again, forget it. Robin Bell.

in answer to more horse manure

Posted on 20-11-2015 22:20 | By tutae.kuri

Marginalise Maori ? not from where I stand. A part Maori living in deepest Urewera can become Prime Minister or anyone he chooses to be. I have a part Maori Grandson and part Maori Nieces and Nephews who all live happy and productive lives.My European ancestors arrived here in 1841 to a rough and dangerous land. We are a family deeply rooted into the fabric of contemporary New Zealand. I respect your opinions R Bell and I expect the same from you. At the Signing, Sovereignty was ceded in return for the rights of British Citizens. All British laws became paramount on that day. Tis no use coming back 175 years later and reinterpreting the wording used in 1840. The dictionary of that time should be used. All the People of New Zealand included the 2000 odd Europeans here at the time and all the slaves held by the tribe

Ahh but what is the truth?

Posted on 22-11-2015 16:11 | By SiouxLioux

Why do our esteemed Historians not stand up and be heard to categorically state what really happened and why. The missionaries took down written accounts of what happened. The Treaty was 3 things - seceding authority to Queen Victoria, becoming British citizens (getting protection from the French) and they got to keep their Taonga which THEN meant any land they had won by the spear. People nowadays are interpreting words then used with todays meanings but they should not. Not one mention of water, airwaves, seabed or foreshore, fauna or flora is in the original MAORI version. Some idiot secretary took it upon himself to flowerise the English version without the knowledge of the Governor. Anyway why does one group of people have to have ownership of these natural resources? The Government should be looking after it for everyone. 1law4all

Bouncing Around.

Posted on 23-11-2015 08:58 | By robin bell

If ever there was a subject that polarises it's this one.The treaty is important,yes,but, it is not the source of current settlements,it's what came later that is important.Most if not all the settlements that are taking place stem from post treaty.Exploitation of ignorance,devious,cooked up "breeches" of the treaty.Acts of Parliament specifically designed to "relieve" Maori of their land.The Queen (the Crown),at least a dozen successive governments have acknowledged these FACTS yet you continue to waffle on about ownership.It has been stated a thousand times,the line is drawn,No one OWNS THE WATER.We ALL get to use it one way or another.Stop your fear mongering,it will not advance your lost 1law4all cause one iota. Robin Bell.

Why Oh!! Why,

Posted on 23-11-2015 12:04 | By robin bell

Our "esteemed" Historians have written books galore, made public statements and much more.They are ridiculed and accused of false history. By who? those who oppose Maori self determination, That's who. Fear stacked on fear, prejudice on prejudice.All aimed at extreme right wing political power.Robin Bell.

Pidgeon holed and brittle

Posted on 29-11-2015 21:14 | By ROCCO

You have got Dingbell zipping around like the proverbial 'energizer bunny' on this topic and the unhinged diatribe indicates the B/S is unravelling with the fragile mental state. RIP

Overit

Posted on 01-12-2015 20:54 | By overit

There we go guys, he just said it. No-one owns the water. Crikey I hope this is a storm in a teacup.

Enjoy your Tea overit,

Posted on 02-12-2015 08:25 | By robin bell

they do say that tea is very good to ease the effects of paranoia,"enjoy" Robin Bell.

Clean the Water

Posted on 02-12-2015 21:06 | By Blessed

If someone actually owns the river, does that mean they can FORCE land uses to clean it up?? Most the BOP rivers are heavily Polluted and businesses are allowed to take rediculous amounts of water from river to irrigate crops, Once fresh water is gone, it does not come back, I dont care who does it, BUt all community members need to get their crap together and Conserve, Reduce and Clean up the blimmin water ways! Stop looking at the little issues. Look at the BIG problem we have. Waimapu stream 6times the bathing limit. test the water near you, and test you tap water too.

not sure about that overit

Posted on 02-12-2015 22:10 | By tutae.kuri

The craven and cowardly government pollies have decided the whole thing is much too hot a potato for them to handle. They may lose a heap of votes of course. What are they doing? Passing the whole thing off to the Local Bodies. Guarantee you that there will be no awkward riders attached either. Next thing we will have unelected iwi members on all the boards making the rules. Likely to be done in the face of opposition no doubt.

Waitangi Tribunal etc

Posted on 09-12-2015 21:00 | By k.mcleod

Donald Trump would be useful here,sorting out the basic truths of the Treaty of Waitangi for Maori,and why the existence of the Waitangi Tribunal and other spurious Maori claims.

National a Trojan horse !

Posted on 11-12-2015 18:59 | By crazyhorse