Tauranga is the only region not to have its own museum, something many people believe needs to be rectified.
Currently artefacts are gathering dust at a storage facility at Mount Maunganui.
As part of the Long Term Plan deliberations held earlier in June, Tauranga City Council declined spending $40,000 on a survey to measure residents' want and desire for a museum.
This survey also would have included whether ratepayers were prepared to pay for a large chunk of operating costs, similar to a survey carried out in 2006. Read more here.
SunLive asked people in the community what would draw them to a museum if Tauranga had one.
One person said a bird display showing birds through history would draw them to a museum on Tauranga.
Another thought Tauranga could have the same partnership with Te Papa as the museum does in New Plymouth.
The partnership allows the two museums to share exhibits.
What do you think?
Should Tauranga get its own museum?
44 comments
many people believe ?
Posted on 27-06-2015 12:02 | By YOGI BEAR
That is wrong, the polls show clearly that the people/public are concerned about the cost of the over the top edifice to unfettered madness.
Museum
Posted on 27-06-2015 13:27 | By jaydeegee
A partnership with Te Papa is a very sensible suggestion to ensure exhibits meet a high standard, constantly renewed and relevant. A great drawcard which Tauranga desparately needs.
A museum - YES
Posted on 27-06-2015 13:41 | By dstewart
A city is not a city without a history and a museum. Even our visiting MPs this week said that Tauranga needs a museum
How many times do
Posted on 27-06-2015 14:51 | By astex
the majority have to say it? What part of NO don't you understand.
Let the visiting pollies pay for it
Posted on 27-06-2015 16:09 | By BullShtAlert
Minister of Arts Maggie Barry can draw a large govt cheque and pay for a museum in Tauranga, just like the taxpayers paid for Wellington. It's all very well for the Hooray Henrys of this world to tut tut about what our city needs but back in the real world there are major bills to be paid and debt to be serviced first. Just commonsense really. I'd love a museum of course but after the statements about the art gallery only being a one off cost turning into about the same money every single year I've lost a bit of faith.
Utterly Hopeless
Posted on 27-06-2015 16:26 | By Jitter
The Tauranga Moana Museum Trust who are constantly pushing for a 23 million dollar museum and have said they would raise the money through private donations cannot even raise the 100 thousand dollars to keep the project going. They have gone to TCC to beg for the money. So where is the capital coming from to first build a museum and then produce the on going operating funds. I think you will find that Tauranga ratepayers are not interested. We do not want another albatross around our necks as the Art Gallery currently is with a ratepayer subsidy of $1 million dollars a year to cover operating costs etc. I don't understand why people believe a museum will attract tourists. There are many museums elsewhere. Tourists come here because of Taurangas summer holiday atmosphere, its beaches and the fact that it is a great place to spend a holiday.
Hopeless politicians
Posted on 27-06-2015 16:38 | By Jitter
Neither Maggie Barry or Simon Bridges have any idea of the practicalities of life that their constituents have to contend with daily. They seem to think money grows on trees and and that Tauranga ratepayers have botomless bank accounts. I have nothing against wasting money on a "nice to have' museum as long as the capital cost and ongoing operating costs are privately funded. It would need to charge a suitable and sensible entrance fee right from day one as the Art Gallery should be doing to help recoup costs and repay the yearly subsidy to ratepayers.
We have a museum of sorts
Posted on 27-06-2015 17:02 | By TCLANG
The Tauranga Art Gallery and the Creative Tauranga spaces could be used to show the Te Papa et. al. related exhibits w/o requiring much expense. And/or using parts of City Council Building and library. Or even Baycourt. It's the exhibits more than new buildings that would be the drawing card.
Lets get on with it
Posted on 27-06-2015 17:17 | By 4AGR8TgaFuture
Along with many others I really enjoyed the Battle of Gate Pa display that was held at the Greerton Hall. This suggests that people do want to see history of Tauranga & the Region. Despite the gloom-merchants who can't see past their noses, a regional museum in Tauranga would be a great drawcard if done well. Demolish the leaky Council offices in Willow St & build one there.
Years ago
Posted on 27-06-2015 18:02 | By Fonzie
the decision was made to have a historic village Instead of a traditional museum In spite of a huge amount of voluntary effort it fell over through lack of support How many times a year Would locals visit one and how far away are existing museums? Another money sink hole like the art gallery for a debt laden council Nice to have but unaffordable
Take
Posted on 27-06-2015 18:03 | By Capt_Kaveman
the art funds and creative funds and ill agree otherwise TAURANGA CANNOT AFFORD IT do people not get this
Yes lets have a museum
Posted on 27-06-2015 18:35 | By Lizzie Bennet
We should have a museum I know money doesn't grow on tress but along with an art gallery it would give some balance to our community which has plenty of sports and outdoor activities but little culture. The idea of paying for entrance to the gallery or museum is a difficult one as the very people who benefit most from such places are those who cannot afford to pay. It will always be expensive, so the sooner the better.
first thing
Posted on 27-06-2015 19:01 | By Captain Sensible
The first thing to put in the museum would be 'the concept of democracy'. We haven't seen that for yonks.
Increased Population
Posted on 28-06-2015 08:42 | By Jitter
We keep hearing the argument that if Tauranga had a museum, a new stadium etc, these would attract more people to become residents and live/work in the city and also attract more casual visitors. Look at the annual figures for people moving permanently to Tauranga and the number of new houses currently being built, plus the numbers of visitors during the summer holiday period and you will find that our infrastructure is having difficulty coping as it is. If a museum and new stadium etc is going to attract the additional numbers of people to the city as hoped then the infrastructure is quite likely going to collapse as it will not cope.
How about
Posted on 28-06-2015 11:00 | By Bop man
Put the museum in with the art gallery, then maybe more people go visit it.
The Historic Village
Posted on 29-06-2015 08:08 | By earlybird
collapsed due to public apathy. A museum is not somewhere that most people would visit on a regular basis. The last & only time I visited the Hamilton Museum I was the only person there. The Hamilton Gardens however is a place that I do visit on a regular basis as do tens of thousands of others. So, instead of wasting money on a museum put it into the development of a decent garden in the city.
earlybird and a myth
Posted on 29-06-2015 10:05 | By Murray.Guy
The Historic Village Museum in 17th Avenue didn't decline as a result of any apathy by the public. It's my opinion based on observations and personal participation in debate at Tauranga City Council that the Village Museum was seen as a threat by those whose aspirations included a new 'iconic' museum on a pier and or in the CBD. The City Council allowed the Village to be inundated by stormwater on numerous occasions, failed to ensure it's basic phone and power, building infrastructure was maintained and ideally enhanced. Today it is recovering with little thanks to the City Council and mostly due to the huge commitment by it's tenants who pay FULL commercial leases, coupled with the fact that a number of the detractors were voted off Council and lost a little of their influence (just a little). Without doubt the Historic Village Museum could play a part!
Murray Guy and Earlybird
Posted on 29-06-2015 18:42 | By Annalist
Knowing a tenant at the Village, the reason they are there is that the rent is cheaper than full commercial areas and they will stay as long as that is the case. They do pay their own way but they don't expect miracles from what are mostly old buildings on a swamp at close to sea level. I'm sure they'd appreciate the ratepayer subsidising the cost of their rent and doing the whole place up. But it seems historic villages around the country aren't doing that well. Times have changed and interest has waned. I think things like the Jazz Festival acts there and some of the markets will be the key to the Village's future. But it is up to people to get off their behinds and support the village. Use it or lose it.
Annalist, with respect ...
Posted on 29-06-2015 20:48 | By Murray.Guy
The tenants are full commercial. Agreed the lease amounts may be less than otherwise available in the traditional commercial world, but apples for apples, they are paying relevant to the buildings and conditions they occupy. Gets up my nose actually as the Village tenants collectively provide immeasurable value added to our community, Tauranga City, yet outside of the Village we have motorcycle clubs and all manner of organisations on peppercorn rentals, some in perpetuity. Combine The Elms, Classic Flyers, The Historic Village and collectively most of our cities treasures could be on permanent public display instead of locked away. Personally, I think there is a lot of merit in shared service providers in regards our Heritage. I know of my visits to Auckland Museum & others I find it too much in one place to fully appreciate and explore.
dont want
Posted on 30-06-2015 09:45 | By dumbkof2
there are some really thick skined people in tauranga how many times in the past have they been told WE DONT WANT A MUSEUM COSTING $26 MILLION if they so desperately want one let them pay for it then they can reap the profits (yeah right). what dont they understand about the word NO. dont ask me to pay for any shortfall
Get rates to do this, Murray
Posted on 30-06-2015 11:57 | By Annalist
Get the Council to introduce peppercorn rents to all the tenants and have the ratepayer top up the difference. Use rates to completely do the place up. Perhaps the buildings could be raised temporarily and built up underneath to solve the flooding due to being so low. Airconditioning all the buildings along with insulation would solve the damp problems. But as far as amalgamating the Village, Elms and Classic Flyers, please leave Classic Flyers alone. It is a great example of what people do without Council and without rates funding.
lassic flyers
Posted on 01-07-2015 09:29 | By YOGI BEAR
Yes, it must be left out of it, TCC getting involved there will only mean it will be doomed. The TCC (Midas) touch is fatal to anything making money, the touch will immediately cause it to lose money, anything losing money that TCC touch will automatically result in a multiplication of that loss.
YOGI BEAR
Posted on 01-07-2015 10:48 | By earlybird
as usual your comments are misleading in the extreme. You know perfectly well that councils provide services for the community that commercial operators wouldn't touch in a million years because everyone knows they'll never make money. So, are you advocating that TCC closes libraries, swimming pools, sports fields etc etc to save some rates expense. If our forebears had thought like that there wouldn't be any civic amenities anywhere now would there. Please enlighten us with your wisdom - I could do with a good laugh.
Apologies, I've misled a few ...
Posted on 01-07-2015 21:24 | By Murray.Guy
There is NO way I would encourage or advocate for TCC to have any interest in Classic Flyers, OR any other such entity for that matter. I am not suggesting organisations should amalgamate. All I'm saying is, if we have items of interest stored away that would be a 'natural fit' for an existing organization, then how about hand it over. Much of what is in storage could be, should be, distributed. The community has invested $millions in the Elms and I know that there is the potential to get a better return on this investment, better outcomes.
Wonderful Wonderful
Posted on 06-07-2015 09:04 | By CONDOR
Recent Sunlive poll put those opposed to a museum at 60% and as it could be assumed pro museumites were more likely to active in voting the real figure is probably around 80%.Solution if the lunatic museum fringe want a museum go for it-get their own land build their museum and raise the $30million cost privately and fund all the ongoing annual costs. Oh they can have all the artefacts & junk stored in the TCC warehouses at a cost of $1million pa. for nothing just find their own storage facility.If you don't want that shut up and stop the bleating. Good luck with that little mission!!!!
What Museum is that then
Posted on 07-07-2015 16:19 | By ROCCO
There is no intention that the zealots proposed multi million dollar monument envisaged by some as the saving grace for Tauranga's cultural wasteland will display anything of note. First step then is to return all the 10% artefacts(if any) plus the 90% junk back to the donors or simply auction it off forthwith and stop the obscene annual storage bill running amok.That's $1m a year more in TCC kitty only another $30m to go.!!!
57 studi
Posted on 08-07-2015 23:16 | By lol
Museums enrich your life,its impossible to put a fiscal value on such wonderful institutions as they should be the intellectual cornerstone of any city !!
lol
Posted on 09-07-2015 16:20 | By YOGI BEAR
God save the world then because that is not working at all. If TCC was th bastion of "thinking" and the CBD was the evidence of result. Then a museum would only mean at best the "Final Solution" to the complete destruction of what little is left.
DROPKICKS AND OTHER DEADBEATS
Posted on 13-07-2015 20:31 | By ROCCO
So @lol museums enrich your life and are intellectual cornerstones of cities -are they indeed? Strange these things always seem to be at other peoples expense(those who have enriched lives already)for the benefit of those who feel emotionally deprived.What's more financial considerations should not apply you say - well that's arrant nonsense and planet bongo thinking.
OTHER DEADBEATS and DODDLERS
Posted on 15-07-2015 23:35 | By YOGI BEAR
A museum, if the DB's get their way will cost $30-40m that the city does not have. Then there is the annual cost and losses that will run up bills each year of another $7-8m/pa. The worst part of it all is as you note, the decaying junk also stored at a huge ratepayer cost of just the rent etc $1m/pa, then there are a heap of TCC Muppets running around dusting at $70k/pa also presumably. No wonder the Smartgrowth mob have a plan to pack the bags and go to Australia.
Junk????
Posted on 17-07-2015 09:22 | By robin bell
Yogi Bear and his bully-boy mate ROCCO are simply too dumb to understand why Tauranga needs a museum.Yesterday my wife and I took our overseas visitors to Rotorua. We spent three hours at the museum (note for rocco) it was full of bozo's,deadbeats and doodlers,all spending up large. The visitors book, full of admiration for the "junk" displayed. Fact is you two, you are cultural peasants with little or no hope of improvement. Robin Bell.
Robin
Posted on 18-07-2015 11:59 | By Kenworthlogger
Soon you will be able to take your overseas visitors to the strand and let them be in awe of the Hairy Mclairy statues.
Sorry Kenny
Posted on 19-07-2015 13:30 | By robin bell
Iv' gone and left you out again,so it's ROCCO YOGI BEAR AND YOU who are cultural peasants. I won't make the same mistake twice. Robin Bell.
Robin
Posted on 19-07-2015 15:38 | By Kenworthlogger
I feel flattered that you devote so much of your time to me....
Junk to Display
Posted on 19-07-2015 20:04 | By Jitter
Robin Bell and Co. have obviously forgotten the exercise TCC carried out some 6 years ago. They employed an expert in artifacts and museums to look at all the material in storage currently paid for ($500,00) annually by TCC. This expert individual stated in their report that 75% of these items should either be returned to the donors or dumped as they would not be worth displaying.Believe it or not but many people consider museums the ideal place to dump material that they believe is of great historical value when it is in fact worthless crap or, they think that they will just dump their rubbish on a museum as it is an easy way to get rid of it. Trust me, I speak from personal experience of working at a museum for over 10 years. You just would not believe the rubbish that is brought in.
Jitter,
Posted on 20-07-2015 12:12 | By robin bell
and your point is ?
To Robin Bell
Posted on 24-07-2015 14:33 | By Jitter
My point is that much of the material in storage for a museum is absolute rubbish and much of the material that would be brought in would be rubbish. Tauranga does not need a museum of any sort let alone costing over $20 million until those people who demand one can get their act together and raise the money from private sources.There are far many more problems affecting the people of Tauranga or NZ than building a museum at extravagant cost.The flag change is another.
Absolutely not needed
Posted on 25-07-2015 21:40 | By ROCCO
I am entirely with Jitter on this and ding dong Bell is as usual away with the fairies or troughing with the taniwha according to his fith whim at the time.
historic hysterical hogwash
Posted on 26-07-2015 15:26 | By kellbell
HEAR HEAR Jitter and Rocco you are onto to it - can the thing before it gets a yeasty type cultural life of its own.
cultural peasants?
Posted on 26-07-2015 15:29 | By YOGI BEAR
Sadly they are the ones who pretend that their culture is something more than it really is. part Maori culture would have to be some 10,000 years and more behind the rest of the world, to not have progressed from well prior to the indigenous locations well back into the pacific islands says it all. the growth, progress and modernization is stunted and stagnant in its tracks. The apparent move into modern times is like a monumental leap forward and is to much on their own, hence the need to grab anything that looks "nice" and claim it for themselves. Hence the haka, poipoi dance, written language and about all the so called cultural things currently pranced about the place. The claims made are simply breathtaking.
Shoebox Muesum
Posted on 26-07-2015 15:31 | By YOGI BEAR
If the true and real part Maori culture was to be displayed then all that is needed is a shoebox. virtually all current said to be 'part Maori' is in fact settlor and or created later.
Money grows on trees doesn't it
Posted on 26-07-2015 16:04 | By CONDOR
Well no but to listen to the museumite misfits you could be excused for thinking so.Message to them raise the money yourselves to build the thing and run it then stand back and watch the poop fall around your ears.If you won't do that then shut up butt out and stop whinging and bleating. R. I. P.
@ Jitter
Posted on 26-07-2015 16:06 | By YOGI BEAR
Agree with all your comments, you are indeed perfectly correct. The cost of the museum as desired by Museum lovers is likely to be a lot more than $20m, as there is no boundary in reality of the dreams that they have and desire. The worst elements are: the trash that is held in such high regard at present and second the annual cost that will then result and be a burden to all ratepayers if they get away with all of this scam ...
Shoebox Muesum #2
Posted on 27-07-2015 02:57 | By YOGI BEAR
Actually the real deal here is that the part Maori component of the trash in storage is but a part of it. The rest is still trash though.
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