Iwi not opposing Rena remains

Tauranga-based Ngati Ranginui iwi is the second Maori association to announce it will not oppose the Rena owners and insurers desire to leave the remainder of the Rena wreck on the Astrolabe reef.

'We are aware of the immense difficulties associated with further work on the reef, and the iwi do not wish to put any lives at risk, nor do we wish to put at further risk the environment which could occur if any additional removal works were undertaken,” says Ngati Ranginui board chairman Tawharangi Nuku.


Pieces of the Rena remain where the vessel grounded in 2011.

'Ngati Ranginui respects the rights of other iwi to make their own decisions and do what is right for them. However, we believe it is time to forgive, to learn from this incident and to move on with our relationship with the owner.”

Ngati Ranginui is the second iwi to announce its decision.

Coastal hapu of the Rotorua based Te Arawa iwi said this week they have also withdrawn opposition to the owners and insurers resource consent application as a pragmatic decision – and that they will be establishing a coastal marine research facility as part of resource consent application restitution and mitigation proposals.

Ngati Ranginui has not said if it accepted a restitution and mitigation settlement. Tawharangi Nuku was in a hui today can could not be contacted.

'The decision has been a tough one but the important focus is now for the iwi to prepare ourselves to deal with other environmental and resource management issues in the future,” he says in the prepared statement.

The agreement comes after three years of intense negotiations.

Tawharangi says it signals the iwi decision to acknowledge the Rena incident and its impact on Tauranga Moana but heralds a significant decision to move on in light of the latest evidence from the reef.

'The Ngati Ranginui Board has reviewed all options and agreed that not pursing action through the upcoming hearing is the best option in a difficult situation.

'I wish to acknowledge the owner's representative, Mr Konstantinos Zacharatos, and his team and reflect that the meeting we held last week was an opportunity for both parties to reflect on the past years and to secure a constructive pathway forward.”

He also acknowledges the ‘significant personal and professional strain' the negotiation process has placed on both iwi and key individuals in the process, and thanks all those involved for their leadership and commitment to ensuring a long term outcome that takes into account all aspects of this complex situation.

The containership Rena struck Astrolabe Reef on October 5, 2011, subsequently spilling cargo and oil which fouled Bay of Plenty beaches, and broke up.

A lengthy salvage operation cut back the remains of the bow section, but about two thirds of the ship, including the accommodation block on the stern slipped into deeper water.

It now lies at about 50 metres.

Opinions from those in the salvage business are that continuing the salvage will cause considerable damage to the reef, take years in which the reef access will continue to be barred to the public, cost a huge amount of money, and may result in divers being killed.

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67 comments

rate payers rights

Posted on 24-06-2015 11:32 | By hapukafin

doesnt every rate payer in the BOP have a right to claim a share of the payout?


$$$$$

Posted on 24-06-2015 12:09 | By penguin

Yer Yer Yer. Another lot sucked in by $$.


Why ?

Posted on 24-06-2015 12:35 | By CC8

Why do these people get to make a decision for the whole population of the Bay of Plenty? What percentage of the population do they actually represent? He says he respects the rights of other iwi..and then talks about his iwi's relationship with the owner....All of the iwi combined do not represent 10% of the population, so where is the representation and relationship for the rest of us? No progress has been made in centuries, it is still a few Maori deciding what everybody wants and taking the spoils for themselves...and bugger the future!


Thats typical

Posted on 24-06-2015 12:50 | By wtf

The mighty dollar talks for a select few.


Line up to sign up

Posted on 24-06-2015 13:01 | By yikes61

I am a New Zealand citizen and my environment has been/is affected by the Rena grounding. I helped/help the environment pre, during and post Rena and the 'feel' of the region has changed since the grounding. Where can I and the thousands like me sign up for my koha?


Up for Sale

Posted on 24-06-2015 13:07 | By Raeleen

It seems Maori culture and spirituality can be bought for a price, shame on them for their lack of Mana


Situation normal

Posted on 24-06-2015 13:45 | By Captain Sensible

Second class citizens ( ie non-maori) have no say. Situation normal.


'Thirty Pieces of Silver'

Posted on 24-06-2015 13:50 | By Mackka

We all knew it would come down to this in the end. I guess we'll never know the amount of their "thirty pieces of silver"! The tribes have just been given $100,000.00 to pay experts to appear on their behalf against leaving the wreck on the reef. Bet that's gone already .... where to we may well ask? Take the money and run - to hell with mana! Hee hee.


Mr ken

Posted on 24-06-2015 14:37 | By pamken

Here we go again more hand outs for the chosen few what about the rest of us affected by the grounding come on council get our share out of the lolly scramble.


See sense and be aware of the facts

Posted on 24-06-2015 15:05 | By Maymingle

Do your research, find out the facts before you all start the Maori bashing. Seems pretty simple to me. Experts say it will do more damage to remove than leave so why not make the owners pay something towards the care and ongoing monitoring of the wreck and surrounding Moana from which we all should benefit, Maori, Caucasian, Asian etc.


Integrity

Posted on 24-06-2015 15:18 | By penguin

I invite a member of this iwi or any other maori group to unequivocally state that they would have also withdrawn any court action against the owner and insurers of the Rena, if no payment had been offered....


Take the money

Posted on 24-06-2015 20:32 | By Active

good on the Maori people for making a claim and been offered a payment. The rest of us didn't jump up and down enough. Strange that the Race Relations Commissioner has not had anything to say about only Maori been offered payment.Hmmm.


The Rena

Posted on 24-06-2015 20:58 | By Fonzie

Was operated by poorly trained cheap foreign crew on a foreign flagged ship and poorly monitored by NZ authorities in NZ waters Exactly the same arrangements as the foreign fishing boats fishing Maori quota on behalf of Maori interests using appalling labour practices


Well Well Well

Posted on 25-06-2015 03:44 | By Kenworthlogger

Cross my palm with silver.... No suprises here people. They all ways wanted the money. Thats what it is always about.....


.

Posted on 25-06-2015 09:59 | By maccachic

What a joke


$$$

Posted on 25-06-2015 11:21 | By Who thewhakaawi

What a stupid rena owner paying out money for what? There are still heaps of iwi in there who will still argue cultural concerns. It should have been all or nothing? Must have too much money and not enough cents.


I see...

Posted on 26-06-2015 21:38 | By penguin

...that no member of the iwi in question has accepted my invitation to respond regarding whether or not they would have withdrawn any action if money had not been offered to do so.


penguin, re your invite

Posted on 27-06-2015 10:52 | By Murray.Guy

The headline and statements made by Ngati Ranginui board chairman Tawharangi Nuku may both be somewhat mis-leading or worse. Ngati Ranginui Iwi consists of seven Hapu, one of which, Ngai Tamarawaho, to date has fervently denied it is party to any agreement that supports the Rena remaining. Ngai Tamarawaho side with Patuwai(Motiti), we will be at the Hearings in September!


Murray Guy,and the talking heads

Posted on 28-06-2015 09:00 | By robin bell

A question if you please. What part of NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS do you not understand? Robin Bell.


Murray.Guy

Posted on 28-06-2015 17:43 | By penguin

My invitation to deny was aimed at the groups who have already accepted the dollars. The question is - would they have come to the same decision if money had not been offered?


Oh robin...

Posted on 28-06-2015 21:24 | By penguin

It does become our business, as citizens, when one sees the hypocritical stance that these same groups take and yet they expect the rest of us to honour their cultural


Oh dear, I've upset Robin Bell

Posted on 29-06-2015 09:37 | By Murray.Guy

I sense Robin Bell is suggesting that matters Rena and local Maori is none of my business. Yelling at me in CAPITALS no less - must be a sensitive issue, bit like a child that has been caught taking lollies without permission or receiving them, knowing they've done wrong. Robin Bell, it is my business as I support Motiti Island's Ngau Te Hapu/Te Patuwai's bid to have the Rena removed from the Astrolabe Reef and I reject as inappropriate any who choose to undermine this in pursuit of gaining an advantage. I was absolutely delighted to read Ngaitamarawaho distance themselves totally from this action and alleged agreement. Perhaps Robin Bell might be willing to secure an answer for penguin, 'would a deal have been struck with had no money (or equivalent value)' been included?


Oh! no I forgot, PENGUIN,

Posted on 29-06-2015 10:37 | By robin bell

To mention the U.N. Declaration on the RIGHTS of INDIGENOUS peoples. You should read it someday soon, then just maybe you won't be so quick to judge. Google it, pay close attention to it all, in particular ARTICLES 3/4/8/18/31/37/ and 40. You will then come to the realisation that it is truly NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS,citizen or not. Robin Bell.


Murray Guy,

Posted on 29-06-2015 15:33 | By robin bell

So you support, is that unqualified support or just more posturing?.Ngati Ranginui have every right to make democratic decisions,based on ALL of the relevant FACTS.( Not yelling Murray,just emphasizing.)They also have the absolute right to achieve any settlement they choose, as did the local business people similarly affected. Did you "support " their claim Murray and the financial settlement they received or is this another case of meddling in Maori affairs? Penguin believes he is allowed, based on something he calls "hypocrisy" I'd "luv" that discussion. Doubt I'll get it though. Robin Bell.


For whom...

Posted on 29-06-2015 16:03 | By penguin

...the bell tolls (the robin variety). You tend to defeat your own argument. Anyone with an opposing viewpoint to yours gets soundly lambasted by you. One expresses an opinion which, by the way, is one


Robin, I'm sure you have an honourable side ...

Posted on 29-06-2015 18:23 | By Murray.Guy

Robin Bell, I'm sure you have an honourable side, put aside the insults! let's see it. You comment, "So you support, is that unqualified support or just more posturing?" The answer is yes, unqualified, so don't bother with the threats, insults, or bribes.


Murray Guy,

Posted on 30-06-2015 15:15 | By robin bell

You are correct I do have an "honourable side, It's called my inside. I engage it constantly, particularly when challenging those who take every opportunity to denigrate, those who refuse to recognise the rights of Maori to pursue those rights in accordance with the rule of law, without the endless, insulting, degrading waffle of those who use these columns to vent their prejudice. You are the one who refers to "pieces of silver" with its connotations, so please don't accuse me of insult, threats,bribes,dishonesty or division. Open your eyes man. Robin Bell.


Robin ...

Posted on 02-07-2015 23:17 | By Murray.Guy

That an activity or outcome is legal does not always make it 'right, proper, appropriate'. My eyes are open, both of them, which I sense in regards issues 'Maori', many choose to keep one eye firmly shut. Truth is, this in NOT a maori/non-maori discussion as greed is colour blind.


Murray,

Posted on 06-07-2015 15:41 | By robin bell

when a group such as the Maori people are protected by laws promoted and endorsed by the United Nations and various N.Z.governments,your objections, and those of your friends, mean nothing.Your comment on "greed" is an interesting one. Fill it out a bit,I'd love to debate that one with you. Robin Bell.


Coming out of the woodwork

Posted on 06-07-2015 17:52 | By crazyhorse

There are so many IWI claiming "compensation" from the Rena Wreck,non of these IWI got on, especially with Te Arawa they sided with the crown,I mean to say all these guys didn't sit out on the reef fishing and "chewing the fat" with each other, if the fishing was so good inshore, as it was why go all the way out to the reef?. Why must they be compensated, and yes these IWI that have pulled their opposition have been compensated. Anyone who says differently is pulling our legs,businesses around Tauranga got compensation for lost profits, why are different IWI all of a sudden claiming the reef as their own and need to get koha, what for, why, what has it "actually" cost them?, and how can so many suddenly claim a reef, the reef belongs to all New Zealanders.


Greek Ship

Posted on 07-07-2015 14:45 | By Trog

Considering the Rena is Greek owned will be impossible for anyone to get any money now considering what has happen in Greece.


HULLO HULLO HULLO

Posted on 07-07-2015 16:05 | By ROCCO

Thought all compensation had been claimed approved and paid out to everyone involved including iwis kiwis and pipis.Seems this is a second bite of cherry or top up a la WTF Tribunal precedents.Love at first bite as they say.


How much?

Posted on 08-07-2015 16:46 | By YOGI BEAR

ROCCO, I guess some got a better nibble than others, you know "KOHA", they must have been a little extra to get it over the line and that makes all the difference right?


U.N. Declaration on the RIGHTS of INDIGENOUS peoples

Posted on 13-07-2015 17:22 | By YOGI BEAR

That was a made up story, the application was self serving and without NZ voters support. Part-Maori fail to be indigenous as they cant prove anything that they are. In fact all evidence proves that they are not. PS Robin, what happened to Moriori that were here before part Maori?


honourable side

Posted on 13-07-2015 17:23 | By YOGI BEAR

Let me know when it escapes and sees the light of Dey.


IWI claiming "compensation"

Posted on 13-07-2015 17:25 | By YOGI BEAR

I think its called "Koha" (definition: reverse rip off) for the bros to share.


YEAH, NAH! MORE, MUCH MORE

Posted on 13-07-2015 18:32 | By crazyhorse

Quote from Ngati Ranginui,{we believe it is time to forgive, to learn from this incident and to move on with our relationship with the owner.


IWI

Posted on 14-07-2015 11:13 | By YOGI BEAR

I guess some got more than others based on some objecting and some not the full removal.


united nations

Posted on 15-07-2015 12:51 | By Kenworthlogger

Robin the united nations means nothing. They do nothing and rule over no one. ITs a bit like having a degree from Khazituctuc....


yogi bear and penguin

Posted on 15-07-2015 12:53 | By hakihana

genuinely have nothing better to do than jump on the "s*** on Maori" bandwagon. Honestly guys, there is a definite theme to your ranting and raving and its pathetic as usual. Let's face it....Iwi (that's us) have legal right to make that decision as tangata whenua. It's in the treaty that was written by the Europeans etc etc etc...Personally I would tell the ship owner to move it at all cost or go jump in Yogi Bear's lake, Non-negotiable. I wouldn't give a damn what you or anyone else thought about that either. Do I think you should have a right to voice your opinion to the owner as well, yes as a matter of fact I do, I think everyone should have a voice here. Fact is, we've been invited to the table and decision made. I don't like it but oh well.


hakihana

Posted on 15-07-2015 13:21 | By YOGI BEAR

Like all you have the option to put in a objection in what ever form you like, that right is no more or less than anyone else in NZ The treaty provides for no such thing, however I guess that has been rewritten as well just like a lot of NZ history has been changed to something else.


RIGHTS of the INDIGENOUS??

Posted on 15-07-2015 17:52 | By crazyhorse

We hear Robby and Pete go on about the UN and "indigenous rights", Yogi is right about other indigenous people having to be 50% bloodline, and, have to prove this, to show how "simplistic" the UN are our race relations commissioner at the time in 2002 Joris de Bres made a statement to them, yes the UN that likened K1W1's to "taliban" in their treatment of maori, Turia the former Sioux indian leader of the "race based" maori party was well aware of the 50% blood line but kept "real quiet" she had attended Sioux tribal conferences and if you get on a Sioux official website it states clearly, you have to prove where you came from, who you were related to and DNA testing . Why may you ask all this drama, why?, so you don't get every "Tom, Dick or Harry' "rorting the system", {TREATY TROUGHERS!}.


hakihana

Posted on 15-07-2015 20:21 | By crazyhorse

Thanks for the comment,it's obvious that your upset about the comments on SunLive, I think the problem here is most people can't understand how so many IWI have taken a "interest" in the Astrolabe after the Rena wreck. Perhaps you could shed some light on this, perhaps you could share your pain and the cultural damage and loss of "mana" this has caused you, maybe some history of your IWI regarding this reef as well, a well written comment in return may "educate us all, kind regards.


crazyhorse aptly named

Posted on 16-07-2015 13:31 | By hakihana

the damage is to the ENVIRONMENT you fool....Obvious as it is, you missed it and so many others do. The "mana" is in the longevity of the surroundings the "hurt" is in the increasing cost that will be to the future generations. That is why we are "interested" you dum*ar*e. Are you "educated" now!


crazyhorse

Posted on 16-07-2015 23:57 | By YOGI BEAR

That's it


hakihana

Posted on 17-07-2015 00:01 | By YOGI BEAR

Looks to me that you have missed a few things already. Your mates in IWI, some have already got the Koha they want and have backed up. I would also like to amend a couple of meanings you list: MANA is control to extract what want, HURT is that the Koha is never enough. Are you educated now? These are the important bits you missed before.


Drip, drip, drip, drip

Posted on 17-07-2015 09:08 | By robin bell

The usual reactionary drivel drips from yogi bear and the renovated crazyhorse. Opinion dressed up as "fact" Fact distorted to suit a corrosive, subversive agenda. Time to man-up and present your facts, of course you won't because you can't. Robin Bell.


Hakihana

Posted on 17-07-2015 09:13 | By crazyhorse

I was simply trying to get an answer on why so many iwi have "laid" claim to the reef and why do they need to be "compensated," is your cultural sensitivity and mana a sellable product?, you push the "revisionist theory that maori always have been and still are the great NZ conservationist, wrong, it has been proven that maori burned large area's of land and exterminated everything in front of them, and, still will given the chance, ever seen coast watch?or talked to Sonny Tau the pidgeon catcher, bloody embarrassing, so hakihana, why must you be compensated, what has it cost you, why do you need to be paid. Te Arawa are "over the moon" over their "settlement", the head honcho saying in the paper he's delighted. sounds like he's pleased it actually happened, your an embarrassment to yourselves and NZ, how would you live without hand out's?


OH yogibear and crazyhorse

Posted on 17-07-2015 11:33 | By hakihana

Yogi....provide the evidence of this KOHA received by Iwi you keep harping on about and to back that up I cordially invite you to a meeting at the offices of Ngati Ranginui Iwi so that you can do just that, prove your rants...Crazyhorse Maori don't receive handouts, European Pakeha make up the highest pecentage of benefit "handout" "government contracts" (theft in other words) bogus claims, insurance fraud, finance fraud....the list goes on. And you don't see Maori publicly damning you lot for it do you? No! But anytime we try and carry out legitimate claims and make submissions on behalf of the region some of you can't help yourself but think the worst of us and in reality its really what you would do given the position. FACE IT that's a fact. (No offence Robin Bell and to majority Pakeha)


No offence taken Hakihana,

Posted on 17-07-2015 13:21 | By robin bell

frankly I agree with all you say.Sadly what we deal with here is the blind ignorance of a small minority represented (badly) by yogi bear and crazyhorse. I hope they accept your invitation, somehow I doubt they will, proffering insult and ignorance to an education in fact and truth. Robin Bell.


Hakihana

Posted on 17-07-2015 13:55 | By crazyhorse

So your saying your iwi has received no money, and, will not receive any money in the future for the Rena wreck, is that what your saying?


Te Arawa

Posted on 17-07-2015 14:07 | By crazyhorse

As for other iwi, they have already said they are happy with their settlement,delighted in fact. You should listen to Willie Jackson show, he seems to be throwing around a few figures $750,000 maybe, na can't be, you reckon it's not about the bucks!so can't be right, be a bit embarrassing if we find out koha is involved, especially after what you've said!.


Back off crazyhorse

Posted on 17-07-2015 15:22 | By robin bell

none of this is any of your business.There is no tax payer money involved. Local IWI are entitled to claim for damage to their customary fishing grounds, just as any other entity can and have. I think your share is in the hands of all the Ministers you've been insulting.Best of "British" getting your greedy hands on that. Robin Bell.


Crazy crazy crazy idiot

Posted on 17-07-2015 17:18 | By hakihana

Prove it! Prove that the money has been received, prove that any money we have received has been for greed.....prove it prove it prove it.


crazyhorse

Posted on 18-07-2015 16:37 | By YOGI BEAR

There is koha involved, it is embarrassing then isn't it.


THERE YOU HAVE IT

Posted on 18-07-2015 16:49 | By crazyhorse

Ask an honest question of hakihana and you are given an ##########$$$$ answer, ah gentle readers,what do we make of it all?.this was a chance for hakihana go give us some facts, some history,tell us why so many iwi used this reef kms off Tauranga as "their" customary fishing ground, but, no, instead abuse, I'm devastated!.


THE PLOT THICKEN'S

Posted on 19-07-2015 10:20 | By crazyhorse

Kaumatua Peri Koho from Ngati Ringinui's sub hapu Nga Tamarawaho say's they have been locked out of the "negotions" and don't support the stand taken by Ngati Ranginui, he understands there's been a "settlement" involving c/ash, but, hasn't been told how much or where it's going, hmmmmmm?.


Honest QUESTIONS !!!

Posted on 19-07-2015 10:38 | By robin bell

crazyhorse, you've never asked an honest question in your life. You would not know an honest answer if it hit you between the eyes. What part of "NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS" do you not understand? What divine right do you believe you have, to question anyone? The Maori people do not answer to you or any of your so called "gentle readership" Whoever they may be. Robin Bell.


Konstantiinos Zacharatos,

Posted on 19-07-2015 13:12 | By robin bell

is the one you should ask to answer your mindless questions crazyhorse. Hakihana invited you and your dumb support group (yogi bear) to visit and discuss your problems. You ignored the cordial invitation, WHY? I'll tell you WHY,this is not about Ngati Ranginui's rights under U.N sanctified laws,It's not about the politics of Maori,it's not about the devastation caused by the Rena to the customary fishing they have enjoyed for centuries before "WE" came along. IT'S ALL ABOUT YOU.Crazyhorse you and your little band of hopeless,prejudiced,losers who have nothing better to do than pick on a minority group. Go see Konstantinos, he'll LAUGH you out of his office. Robin Bell.


Robby say's the Maori

Posted on 19-07-2015 13:54 | By crazyhorse

People answer to no one!, maybe they "should", every one in Tauranga was effected by that wreck, the motiti mob have already done very well out of it, there are so many different iwi claiming compensation from the reef. Why?, it cannot have possibly been a customary fishing ground to every one putting there hands out, I'm only asking why, show us the history of the iwi and there connection with the reef, and, what are they getting compensated for?, how did they suffer, what did it cost them, if I put a claim in to the owners or insurance company dealing with this saying I had suffered and needed compensation they would how, why, and prove it, so Wobbin there must be proof, tell us show us, let us share the " pain and suffering", I hope your not going to call this another holocaust, are you?.


UN sanctified laws

Posted on 19-07-2015 14:59 | By crazyhorse

Now I have to ask another question, how much can a koala bear, so many questions no answers, under what UN law do maori get compensated for the Astrolabe "" over and above K1W1,s, give us the law your talking about and where we can look it up, while your at it the history tying all these iwi to the reef and the "koha" chop chop Wobbin, lets try to make some progress, you lot are just going around in circles, to trough or not to trough, that is the question!


crazyhorse

Posted on 19-07-2015 15:01 | By YOGI BEAR

No it wont be a holocaust, but you will be labeled again as being racist... wait for it here it comes...


Holocaust

Posted on 19-07-2015 15:02 | By YOGI BEAR

Actually the fish and sea life generally are the ones sustaining a Holocaust because they had a huge feast when the Rena happened, then a famine when it was all cleaned up. Perhaps the fish should put a claim in to?


There's no hope for Yogi and co

Posted on 19-07-2015 18:04 | By hakihana

As plainly I as put it to you, you have found a way to pick at well let's see um NOTHING! You're obviously unhappy in your lives and its clear to see because you and your mates are present on a very many articles here on Sunlive making negative comments just because you have nothing better to do. Now I informed you what the problems were re: Rena and you were invited to provide discussion and instead you have returned to your knitting needles to mull over some more crap to invent and add to this page. Nuff said guys you lost. I'm not going to lower myself any further to meet your unhealthy comments so don't bother replying to this. Take care Robin, kia kaha kia maia kia manawanui.


So many questions

Posted on 19-07-2015 19:30 | By crazyhorse

So gentle readers, where are the answers?????, why are we second class citizens,why are these people receiving "compensation" why, for what. Why does being "part" maori give the right to feed off who ever is available, and no questions asked, certainly not a single questions answered here so far, just alot of abuse!.


Gentle readers,

Posted on 20-07-2015 11:48 | By robin bell

now you have the classic example of losers who ask leading questions. Questions designed to make a statement,questions that have obvious answers. No one here has ever claimed the U.N. makes law. N.Z. makes laws based on U.N. recommendations or not. Customary International Law is recognised by N.Z. via article 40 of the charter of the rights of indigenous peoples. It is recognised in the Marine and Coastal Areas (Takatu Moana) Act 2010. The RMA etc. I have never stated Maori answer to no one, yet more crazy-spin. The 50% blood quantum for Sioux Indians is another crazy-lie. Some Indian tribes operate a "blood quantum" that designates a minimum of 25% many others use "lineal descent" a bit like whakapapa. I luv this little poem by a Cherokee, NOW measure me, Measure me, Tell me where I stand,ALLOCATE my very soul,Like you did my land. Robin Bell.


Hakihana

Posted on 20-07-2015 16:22 | By crazyhorse

All you need to do is explain why you and other iwi need to be "compensated" for the wreck of the Rena, why, it'll feel good to get the truth out, get it off your chest, why must you receive anything for the Rena, why???.


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